On this episode, we switch things up a bit and start the show off with some news, with some of the biggest being the new car that Pagani revealed: the Utopia. Even as big Pagani fans, we were less than impressed, and we had some other new vehicles to discuss that could be candidates to come to Forza eventually. To be fair, it's pretty odd looking. Not much Forza talk on this episode; in the world of Forza Horizon, there's obviously some fun things happening with the 10th anniversary celebrations going on within Forza Horizon 5, and we've got that broken down as a dedicated episode (Episode 9). Jason has a meltdown on this weeks' complaint corner about a fast food restaurant. For F*** That Car, Aren has a bone to pick with a very popular Mercedes. Don't miss another episode of nonsense and complaining, the Forza World Podcast!
On this episode, we switch things up a bit and start the show off with some news, with some of the biggest being the new car that Pagani revealed: the Utopia. Even as big Pagani fans, we were less than impressed, and we had some other new vehicles to discuss that could be candidates to come to Forza eventually. To be fair, it's pretty odd looking. Not much Forza talk on this episode; in the world of Forza Horizon, there's obviously some fun things happening with the 10th anniversary celebrations going on within Forza Horizon 5, and we've got that broken down as a dedicated episode (Episode 9). Jason has a meltdown on this weeks' complaint corner about a fast food restaurant. For F*** That Car, Aren has a bone to pick with a very popular Mercedes. Don't miss another episode of nonsense and complaining, the Forza World Podcast!
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Speaker 1
Hold on.
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Speaker 1
Hello, everybody. And welcome back to the Fourth World Podcast. This is episode ten.
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Speaker 2
Episode ten. That's my old racing number ten. Yet when I used to race at Delaware, we were at Delaware, a Delaware a couple of weeks ago there. Yeah, that was my old racing number. It was? Yeah. It's just a half skill kind of cars. So kind of like American ish go karts. Oh, circle track stuff.
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Speaker 1
Oh, nice oval track.
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Speaker 2
Sorry. Yeah, well, plan track. Yeah, that was the villain origins as they were like, yeah, man. Ten episodes. It's flying by, that's for sure. It is. So. But we got a lot to talk about here. We've been taking a couple little, you know, some siestas, some some weeks off.
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Speaker 1
A little bit of.
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Speaker 2
Break and yeah, we got we got some catching up to do.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, we're going to we're going to jump right into this first thing a while. First thing you want to talk about is the new Pagani.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Usually I think we do the news on the back end or kind of later in the show, but I think I want to catch up on some news first and something we got to talk about before we get to the fours and stuff. You know, we've got 10th anniversary stuff going on right now. Yep. 10th episode, 10th anniversary.
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Speaker 2
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Speaking of ha ha ha sarcastically, the Pagani Yutopia specifically. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. I don't I don't like the name. I think it's kind of ugly interior wise. And you know, from an engineering standpoint, it's still beautiful. It still looks impressive and significant. But I don't think it looks good.
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Speaker 2
No, it just looks stupid. Like you made the Zonda. You made the fucking Zonda Chink way. Okay.
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Speaker 1
In the chin. Quite roadster. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Some of the most beautiful pieces of automotive art ever require a terrible name, but I mean Hawaii, where it was still a good looking car. The interior, the shifter, everything, the leather accents, the key. Yes. And then you make this thing. Horatio, buddy, lay off the weed, man. Oh, my God. I don't know what the problem was. It just looked at a really piss, like a piss poor attempt.
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Speaker 2
Remember how deep data Mazo had there? Whatever car. I read one of the gold wheels. I don't know if it's a new Pantera. I don't think so.
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Speaker 1
No, no, no. It's third. I know. I know which one you mean, but. Yeah, and there's a couple rolling around somewhere light blue. Some are dark green. The red like the the Pebble Beach and whatever.
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Speaker 2
P 72.
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Speaker 1
P 72. That's it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Beautiful car. If you don't know what that is. Look it up. Gorgeous car. Yeah. Like, to me, the yutopia feels like a failed piece. 72.
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Speaker 1
Okay.
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Speaker 2
Somehow I don't know why. I think that might not be. I don't think it's an accurate comparison mechanically. I just feel like appearance wise I, I don't know. It just feels like there's similar cues.
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Speaker 1
I feel like the design of the yutopia tried a little bit too hard to do. Like a reverse retro thing.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I know. That's. Well, that's why I thought they Tommaso. Because it was like an old spin on a new car and trying to, like, have some of the old elements of the old cars, maybe. And just like old automotive cues too. I don't know. I just feel like it looks stupid. Yeah, it doesn't work. No, it doesn't work.
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Speaker 2
It's like blocky or something.
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Speaker 1
But it's kind of bubbly at the same time.
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Speaker 2
Too. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know. Then if you look at what Koenigsegg just did.
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Speaker 1
Oh, yeah, I know.
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Speaker 2
With using old styling cues to make a new car. Yeah, like it can't be that hard. No. And it's important to know, I mean, KOENIGSBERG That was a one off. Like, that was just like an homage, if you will. Yeah, the utopia is going to be around for a bit.
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Speaker 1
It is. It's going to it's again, it's going to be a production car.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And The Wire was around for 12 years.
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Speaker 1
12 years.
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Speaker 2
Around there. Ten years around there. So I mean, yeah, they go Pagani keeps their cars around for a bit and this monstrosity is Yeah. Not going away anytime soon. Even the interior doesn't look as nice. Like it's just.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
I don't know anyways. So I hate that it feels.
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Speaker 1
It feels like they're trying to subdue the monster they created with the fire. It looks menacing like like if you look at the first generation, the base. Yes. You know, the original wire, you look at that and you see the lights of it and how small those front lights are and how big everything is and pointy and how the the wingers go up and the flaps and everything.
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Speaker 1
And then you look at the yutopia and it's like, you know, you took that wire and then you threw it in one of those giant inflatable bubbles that people try and play soccer.
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Speaker 2
And it does seem like somebody described it to them over the phone and then had them try to draw. Yeah. A wire over the phone. Yeah. It kind of gets that feeling. I know. But regardless, I mean, anyways, that's.
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Speaker 1
Going to be it's going to be an unreal car. Like from a mechanical standpoint, it's going to be an another car, but it's not it's not quite there. On the design standpoint of things.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, we do need to talk about is the 10th anniversary of Forza Horizon.
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Speaker 1
Yes.
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Speaker 2
You know, like I say, 10th episode, you know.
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Speaker 1
Episode. 10th anniversary.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
They did. You know they did have an update that came in.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Very excited. Very excited about.
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Speaker 1
We are, we're very excited about that update. There are a couple of things that they did right. There are a couple of things that that they didn't do as well.
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Speaker 2
And for that full list, you can listen to our last show. You know, we had a special episode dedicated to the good, the bad, the ugly, everything with that horizon update. But I mean, the short version is really special radio station, Midnight Battle, some little homages here and there.
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Speaker 1
And cars.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, we gave it. You know, my review ended up being a 6.6.6 and it was.
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Speaker 1
A 6.2.
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Speaker 2
6.3 around there. Yeah, around there. So it was good. Not great. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I mean, regardless, it's still a big milestone.
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Speaker 1
It is.
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Speaker 2
It is. I mean, ten years. Ten years. A lot of us have been playing this game. Yeah. So pretty wild. Pretty wild. I don't really think too many, especially racing games, have this kind of following or growth or community really after like a ten year point. Usually, you know, it gets phased out or turned into something else like and this is just horizon.
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Speaker 2
This isn't just the for as a brand in general so pretty big deal.
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Speaker 1
Yeah that that ten years is is a really big a really big thing for for a lot of people especially yeah for a couple couple of things that you know, I want to continue on when it comes to the new vehicles. We talked about the Pagani Yutopia, it's oh, you're.
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Speaker 2
Talking about news. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So this is. Yeah. What's going on right now? Yeah.
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Speaker 1
I want to I want to talk about a couple of other cars that are going to be coming out, BMW, M2. The new BMW M2. Oh, now I want to start with something. I know it's a very controversial look. You like the look of it as a car, but as an update to the previous version of the M2.
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Speaker 1
I don't like it.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, it just feels like it's going backwards, man. It's hideous. It's disgusting. It's so boxy.
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Speaker 1
I don't think it's hideous.
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Speaker 2
It looks like a Bionicle.
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Speaker 1
I don't think they went forward in their design by any means. But, you know, if this was the first, you know, kind of version of the M2, then I would like it a lot more. Yeah, because there would be room to grow.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, this is. It's a movement backwards. The last one was prettier. It looked better. You just looks boxy and stupid and the grilles still getting bigger. I don't know what's going on with that.
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Speaker 1
Now keep in mind, this is the first gen or like the first iteration of the next generation of M2 because now you have room for the M2 competition, you have room for the Facelifted version, you have room for the M2 x. If they decide to do an M2 CSL, you have room for that.
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Speaker 2
So so you're saying this is the groundwork for potential other trends?
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Speaker 1
Yes.
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Speaker 2
Body styling. Okay.
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Speaker 1
And as the groundwork, I don't think it's that bad.
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Speaker 2
So you think this is a good foundation?
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Speaker 1
I think it's a good foundation. Now, where they take this, that could go one of two ways. If if the like the competition and the seats and all that stuff, that could go downhill very quickly with where this base is. But it could also make it look really damn good.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, we'll see, man. I just. The M2 is just. I don't know. That styling looked better. It was. This one is just too clunky and boxy and squared off. And for some reason, the lights are kind of like, nice and flowing and rounded almost. Yeah, but then the rest of the body is chunky. It looks stupid. It just looks like a box of something.
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Speaker 2
I don't know. Yeah, I don't like it. I'm also not a really good guy to ask about BMW opinions. I'm not the biggest BMW guy. I never have been, as you know.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
But, uh, I'm not. I'm not convinced, and I'm not business.
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Speaker 1
And you know what? I don't mind.
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Speaker 2
We'll see. It's one of the things we'll see. You're right. Like you make good points of the C. S and whatnot, so we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 1
Her new car coming out is the new S650 Mustang.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And you know that'll be a car that it'll be interesting to see how for is a kind of involves that and like which one they get first because there's a lot of different trims. Right. It's basically, you know, this is a new look for the Mustang. It is a new generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit.
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Speaker 2
Well.
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Speaker 1
I find me.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I find it mad too. I just I wonder, you know, from a forest standpoint, what we get first, like, do we get worse? Oh, you think so? The dark horse. Yeah. Okay. Because you already know there's going to be so many trends. Give me a 350, it'll be a 500. There's a GTI is a dark horse. Probably gonna be some sort of other special edition.
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Speaker 2
One bad blurb we'll see the.
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Speaker 1
So there's there's the EcoBoost and there's the V8 and then there's the dark horse, which is the Dark Horse is basically their first kind of launch edition performance package.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's just like, we'll see. And I always any time forces done something with you know a cover car company or even to an extent like Ferrari with the Laferrari, you know like Forza had early access to that to develop or whatever we call source that car. Yeah. So I mean you think back to the GTI and you know they had early access to that.
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Speaker 2
They clearly have a good relationship with Ford. It just makes you think like maybe they'll do something digitally, like maybe they'll release a future trim of this car, you know? I don't know. We'll see. I also give it and I. I probably like it better than the last edition. I think it probably looks a bit more aggressive. It reminds me of what was that one off Mustang like a company made.
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Speaker 1
Oh, the the the rocket. I guarantee you, we have a lot of people being like.
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Speaker 2
You idiot, somebody screaming in the car that is for scalp rockets. Yes. Yes. I feel like the new one kind of looks like that a little bit.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Like, I don't know. I feel like there's some inspiration from the aggressiveness of it. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm also not a huge mustang guy anyways, so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it will be interesting to see how that's integrated, that's for sure.
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Speaker 1
Um, so, Jason. Hmm? I'm going to give you two choices. Uh, choice number one, we could continue some talk about some new vehicles because there's three new vehicles that I know we're going to talk about or we could take a detour and cue the music.
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Speaker 2
I got to get my thoughts together. I think those together. Yeah, I you know what? I've. No, I got to complain right now. Okay.
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Speaker 1
So let's.
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Speaker 2
Just.
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Speaker 1
Let's let's put on that turn signal and head.
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Speaker 2
Put on the freeways. Get out of the car.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Head on into complaint corner. Cue the music man. Jason, what do we.
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Speaker 2
Got that makes me mad? Just hearing that music. I hate McDonald's, dude. I hate it. I hate the people who frequent it and the people who are inside the McDonald's. The people who willfully choose to sit down and have food at a McDonald's restaurant. I don't care where you are anywhere in the world. It's such a garbage option.
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Speaker 2
I hate the feeling you get even if you just want to get a mcFlurry pending. It's the machines working like you're going through the drive thru and just feeling like a pig. Just waiting to get the food in the trough and just waiting for the slop to come down. I hate it. I hate that I have to go there at 1230 at night and even I'm just getting the late night ice cream or something like that with a friend.
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Speaker 2
Yep. I'm still waiting. 15 minutes in a drive thru. That's true. Even then.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, I hate it.
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Speaker 2
I hate that the food sucks. I hate that the quality's terrible. I hate that my stomach, my stomach feels like absolute crap every single time I eat there, regardless of what I eat. You know, I hate that there's four toppings that you can get on a burger and people somehow say, it's good and I hate how there's 80 better options than that.
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Speaker 2
And at least in Canada, I know it's cheap in the States, but in Canada, if you want to get a Big Mac meal, it's like 13 bucks. Yeah, at least maybe more.
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Speaker 1
Why would I?
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Speaker 2
That is burrito territory. Good, sir. Why would I not go? Get out. Get a.
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Speaker 1
Burrito. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
I get a read on a beer. I get loaded out of my goddamn mind and just be sitting on my couch with a nice chorizo burrito in my belly, man, rather than this fucking swill from McDonald's that I have to wait for, like a rat. I hate it. I hate all of the concerning amount of homeless people that seem to frequent there that are just hanging out.
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Speaker 2
You know, I hate everything about it, man. It is so bad I can't stand it. I rarely go there. I rarely, rarely go there unless I'm in some small, perverted hick town and I have no other choice. And they don't even trust the local establishments. Yeah. Oh, you know.
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Speaker 1
You know what sound is now stuck in your head? The beeping of the timer queue.
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Speaker 2
The queue. The McDonald's ambient sounds. Okay.
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Speaker 1
Is that the beep?
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Speaker 2
Beep, beep, beep, beep. Yeah. Yeah, we just heard it. Yeah. It's a horrific, horrific.
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Speaker 1
I hate it. Oh, my God. This smells like. Okay.
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Speaker 2
It smells. And they hate. You know what? Hot. Take the fries. Suck. They do. Sorry. I mean, you're you're clinging on to some memory of, like, the one time you had good fries at McDonald's and the 90 other times you've been, and it just sucked. They've been.
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Speaker 1
Terrible.
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Speaker 2
There's so inconsistent, and they're not good. I'm sorry, man. There's like. Like a fish and chips style. Fry is better. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Heartache on on the street fries. Wendy's.
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Speaker 2
Wendy's is better. Absolutely not as good as it used to be, but still better. Yeah. In W in Canada specifically. Yeah. Near Fries, which actually I don't think is in the States. I think it's only in Canada. That's better. Yeah. Uh, Arby's curly fries are arguably better.
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Speaker 1
Arby's curly fries are unreal.
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Speaker 2
There's so many different things, man. Five guys like In-N-Out Burger isn't ideal.
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Speaker 1
Like, one of the things that I know, it's.
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Speaker 2
Still better, actually.
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Speaker 1
About being out east and having the experience out west. Out west, like West Coast. Five guys way better than East. Yes, guys.
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Speaker 2
Yes, way better. Yes, I agree. It's oh, I hate it. I hate it. That's that's my comment for this week is specifically not necessarily fast food, but McDonald's. I hate the idea of waiting the way you have to wait. If you go inside, you have to wait with all these losers. And it's it just stinks in there and it always smells like wet dog.
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Speaker 2
And every McDonald's I ever been in, if you wait in the drive thru, you've got to wait 15, 20 minutes for some idiots to get your order wrong. And then they put cheese on my hamburger and then I have a fit and I throw it at a passer by on the sidewalk. Oh, my God, dude, I can't take it.
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Speaker 2
So I just. The waiting for something that's inferior and also costs a ton of money, drives me nuts, drives me insane.
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Speaker 1
It's no that's I have nothing to argue with that. Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
It's, it's one of my I don't know, I don't know if this will be a controversial complaint corner or a highly agreed upon complaint corner. I can see it being highly contested.
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Speaker 1
Well, I find every single complaint corner, there's some reason where I'm just like, well, you know what? Let's give this the matter for the benefit of the doubt. This one, I'm like, Yo, every single point you made is a is 100% valid point. I agree.
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Speaker 2
I complain corners are getting much less irrational and much more, you know, I feel like it's more I can articulate it better rather than just blind, seething, drooling rage. Yes, there there's I have a bit more of a of a points process and that's good. Yeah. That's what'll happen with ten episodes I guess.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. True.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't know. But anyways I hate it. Get me out of some cars here. Let's, let's, let's continue to tackle take for.
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Speaker 1
Days off, we'll head back onto the highway. Yes, definitely. We will be heading back onto the highway in the Alfa tonight.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So the deal with this car and that you've informed me, I mean it's a pretty car. It is, I'll say that it's, it's a, it's a small SUV. It's not a compact SUV.
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Speaker 1
You know, it's a it's a I would consider it a compact thing. So because it's in the same class as the BMW X1.
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Speaker 2
Okay, so it's a compact SUV. Okay. So this is smaller than the stelvio.
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Speaker 1
Oh, considerable.
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Speaker 2
Is that okay? Yeah. So it's a pretty looking thing. Yeah, I like the look of it. The interior seems to be good enough, but I do suddenly have some concerns about the Drivability because, good lord, this is the same platform.
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Speaker 1
As Dodge Hornet.
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Speaker 2
Kill me. That is not going to be good. That will be a very bad car.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So the Dodge Hornet is Dodge's new compact SUV.
00;18;15;29 - 00;18;19;00
Speaker 2
And if you know anything about Dodge, Dodge is pretty entry level.
00;18;19;00 - 00;18;25;16
Speaker 1
And they share platforms. I believe this is going to share the platform with the Compass.
00;18;25;16 - 00;18;27;08
Speaker 2
Yeah, it should. The Jeep compass it should.
00;18;28;14 - 00;18;31;18
Speaker 1
I might be wrong. So don't if if if it doesn't, don't.
00;18;31;22 - 00;18;33;03
Speaker 2
There might just be a new jeep. You never.
00;18;33;03 - 00;18;38;17
Speaker 1
Know. You never know. But don't be coming at us if you actually care to see my silly me.
00;18;38;17 - 00;18;44;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. We hate it regardless. Yeah. Whatever it is, whatever jeep it is, we're going to hate that too. We're going to.
00;18;44;23 - 00;18;45;28
Speaker 1
Hell. We're going to hate it. Yeah.
00;18;46;17 - 00;18;54;21
Speaker 2
So not good. I mean, this is that's not a good sign. I mean, I understand that offers you know, they rarely develop their own platforms. Yeah.
00;18;55;16 - 00;18;56;22
Speaker 1
But I love the Julia.
00;18;57;09 - 00;18;58;28
Speaker 2
The Julian, the stelvio of the same platform.
00;18;59;10 - 00;19;01;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, but it's their own platform. It's their.
00;19;01;00 - 00;19;07;18
Speaker 2
Own. Yeah, but I just, they share so much like FCA crap, right.
00;19;08;07 - 00;19;33;22
Speaker 1
Well less so than Maserati. Maserati very much share more things with FCA, less so than they usually do because like in the 2016, Maserati used to turn on the car and the whole touchscreen just looked like it came straight out of a Dodge Grand Caravan. Yes, I think it was terrible. Yes. I feel like I paid $80,000 for something that comes out of a $20,000 grand caravan guy.
00;19;33;23 - 00;19;49;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, like awful. Regardless. I mean, the reason we're talking about a compact SUV is because it's Alfa Romeo. Alfa Romeo is not a car or sorry, not a brand that's in Forza right now. No, as far as we know, I haven't really heard any rumblings that it will be coming back any time soon.
00;19;49;14 - 00;19;49;29
Speaker 1
I don't think so.
00;19;50;20 - 00;20;15;04
Speaker 2
Unfortunately, there's a lot of trickiness with the way they're doing right or something like that. I don't know. Anyways, it's just a little disappointing. They only have a couple of models right now. Like if I just they're one of those companies you're always kind of rooting for. You always kind of wishing that there'd be more Alfa Romeo's on the road, especially North America know they're kind of trying to make a comeback here and yeah, I thinks this is going to be a stinker mobile.
00;20;15;19 - 00;20;16;07
Speaker 1
Yeah, that's.
00;20;16;10 - 00;20;17;08
Speaker 2
All I get is thinking the real.
00;20;17;08 - 00;20;51;06
Speaker 1
Feeling isn't going to be ideal. Now, when it comes to Italian FCA products, the Maserati recall has been announced and unveiled and is being shown across the country. Now that one has a horrible name, but it looks pretty cool and it has a couple pretty cool engine options. I think the biggest one is the twin turbo V6 in the the sporty version of the Greek recall.
00;20;52;26 - 00;21;24;07
Speaker 1
But again, it's it's a horrible name. It looks good, though. I very much enjoy the looks. I think it's going to be slightly smaller than the stelvio, but not as small as the Tonali. So it's kind of like like the dimensions are just smaller than the Stelvio because the Maserati. Levante Yeah, the bigger that.
00;21;24;07 - 00;21;26;01
Speaker 2
Is, yes, it's a pretty thing.
00;21;26;06 - 00;21;45;02
Speaker 1
It is a pretty thing. And then the Stelvio is the Alfa Stelvio is slightly smaller than the Levante and I think the recall is going to be slightly smaller than the Stelvio and then the Tonali, which is now for me it is going to be slightly smaller than the recall.
00;21;45;17 - 00;22;00;08
Speaker 2
Regardless, the recall. A stupid name. You're right, I hate it. Stupid cookie rides with comfort. Yeah, I think this thing looks so stupid, man. It looks like a perverted E-Type somehow.
00;22;00;13 - 00;22;00;29
Speaker 1
You don't like it?
00;22;01;06 - 00;22;10;28
Speaker 2
No, I don't know. Because the Levante looks so good. It just looks like. I don't know. It looks like somebody picked the SKU option for a Ford or a car.
00;22;11;08 - 00;22;11;21
Speaker 1
I just, like.
00;22;11;21 - 00;22;12;16
Speaker 2
Dragged it down.
00;22;12;22 - 00;22;14;27
Speaker 1
Okay, if you don't. If you don't like that.
00;22;15;02 - 00;22;16;10
Speaker 2
Oh, the performance ones looks.
00;22;16;20 - 00;22;18;04
Speaker 1
Pretty good, though. Okay, that's what I thought.
00;22;18;06 - 00;22;19;28
Speaker 2
The base ones are stinky.
00;22;19;28 - 00;22;22;28
Speaker 1
Yeah. And the base want them to the fan of just. I thought you were looking at the.
00;22;23;01 - 00;22;24;21
Speaker 2
Wow it's low too. It is.
00;22;24;23 - 00;22;35;07
Speaker 1
Holy cow. Okay, if you. Okay. So I don't know if you've seen, but have you seen the new pictures of the new Granturismo.
00;22;36;22 - 00;22;38;05
Speaker 2
Car, the game, the car?
00;22;38;18 - 00;22;44;22
Speaker 1
No, I was already granturismo because they they did a an update on it. So it's a new generation.
00;22;44;28 - 00;22;58;11
Speaker 2
By the way. I'm just saying it isn't my choice for that car. But next week I've already decided the Ghibli. I fucking hate the car. Okay, I just spoiler just. I'm going to take like weeks to prepare for this. I hate the Ghibli.
00;22;58;11 - 00;23;00;19
Speaker 1
Okay, I'll do some research. No, that'll be good. Okay.
00;23;00;19 - 00;23;04;23
Speaker 2
I can't stand the car. That'll be a team up. Just absolute down on that.
00;23;04;23 - 00;23;07;07
Speaker 1
Cutting down on. Oh yeah it will demolish.
00;23;07;07 - 00;23;12;24
Speaker 2
I hated Ghibli. Okay so anyway. Sorry, the Maserati, the new Gran Granturismo.
00;23;12;24 - 00;23;17;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. 2023, 2024. Whatever it is. I'm curious.
00;23;18;18 - 00;23;26;07
Speaker 2
It looks like they are copy to Fisker. Yeah. Is that what you're getting at? Yeah. Yeah. Look, it looks the same.
00;23;26;07 - 00;23;30;25
Speaker 1
It looks the same as that as the gear colleague is, this is their new design language.
00;23;30;25 - 00;23;31;03
Speaker 2
And I.
00;23;31;03 - 00;23;34;15
Speaker 1
Hate it with the MK 20, the GRU collar, the the new.
00;23;35;11 - 00;23;58;28
Speaker 2
Well the back's nice though, but I mean it's because the back looks like the same. Yeah. So that's why it looks nice. The Granturismo has a very good place in my heart. I love the sound of it. I love how high it revs. Yes, there's a lot to like about that car. I love the styling of it. I think it's one of the better design cars of the past ten years.
00;23;59;20 - 00;24;03;09
Speaker 2
Like there's like esthetically. There's really nothing to pick.
00;24;03;09 - 00;24;04;14
Speaker 1
Apart about ten years.
00;24;04;27 - 00;24;20;15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, it's, it's really hard to think of anything like, I mean them an Aston like if you think of the vantage they kind of nailed that right? Oh you really mean like how do you how do you be how do you improve any of those cars.
00;24;20;16 - 00;24;25;24
Speaker 1
Like 2014? Aston Vintage. Yeah. 2014 Maserati Granturismo.
00;24;26;08 - 00;24;31;04
Speaker 2
Yeah, the, the performance trim, whatever it was.
00;24;31;04 - 00;24;35;06
Speaker 1
AMC Stradale. Yes. Oh, you put the Beautiful together.
00;24;36;01 - 00;24;39;15
Speaker 2
But you know what I mean. The thing with those cars is you can't improve them.
00;24;39;18 - 00;24;40;11
Speaker 1
No.
00;24;40;11 - 00;24;58;03
Speaker 2
Like that's why Maserati stuck with that design language for so long. Same with Aston. But ask them was just like, blow it up, make a new one. And it's still nice what they have now. But I mean, man, that's going to go down as one of like the prettiest cars ever, ever, ever. It's so nice. So, yeah, this thing stinks.
00;24;58;16 - 00;25;08;02
Speaker 2
The front of it looks like. Looks like, uh, a weirdo. Bizarro world, Fisker. The back looks pretty. I'll give it that, but it looks like the old green trees most.
00;25;08;02 - 00;25;08;21
Speaker 1
So it does.
00;25;08;21 - 00;25;31;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know. And the EV component man, I don't like how everybody's going to this ev heavy. I like when it's a complimentary piece towards the engine. Yeah. But I think it's, you know, like right now. So this past season, Mercedes, for example, I think other teams been doing it too, but they're using synthetic fuel or.
00;25;32;27 - 00;25;33;09
Speaker 1
Okay.
00;25;33;09 - 00;25;36;18
Speaker 2
So like they're transport or hauler or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, the lorry.
00;25;36;25 - 00;25;37;03
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;25;37;12 - 00;25;41;11
Speaker 2
They're using 100% synthetic renewables, zero emissions fuel.
00;25;42;23 - 00;25;43;17
Speaker 1
Well, okay.
00;25;43;25 - 00;25;56;06
Speaker 2
And next year, F1 or the year after one of the other, I think it's next year F1 is switching to the same thing, fully renewable, no emission, synthetic fuel.
00;25;57;00 - 00;25;57;28
Speaker 1
And that's what they're going to be.
00;25;57;28 - 00;25;59;14
Speaker 2
Use in the cars.
00;25;59;14 - 00;26;01;25
Speaker 1
In the cars during the racing. Yeah. Wow.
00;26;02;01 - 00;26;27;25
Speaker 2
So if you can do that at the highest level of motorsport in a high performance environment, I think a lot of manufacturers, especially when they're doing this and they're top end cars and they're going to as high have a bias towards electric as they are right now. I think they're going to regret that because you're going to put a lot of money into EV development when you realize you didn't really have to and people are going to commit to it.
00;26;27;25 - 00;26;47;03
Speaker 2
And I think ultimately that's what's like going to force a bigger electrical kind of shift as people are going to commit to this and not want to diverge from it. But I mean, damn, dude, it's seeming a bit premature. I mean, regulations don't change until about 2035.
00;26;47;16 - 00;26;47;27
Speaker 1
Yeah, for.
00;26;47;28 - 00;26;53;21
Speaker 2
Most places, right. I know emissions are always changing, but yeah, synthetic fuel emissions will remain one.
00;26;53;21 - 00;27;12;23
Speaker 1
Did you see how in I think it was the 2030s, 20, 30, 20, 40, whatever it was that Ferrari is going to be dropping down to 20% internal combustion like 20% of the V8 that are going to be or 20% of the whatever production stuff is going to be. Internal combustion.
00;27;13;01 - 00;27;16;25
Speaker 2
That drives me nuts. Oh, 20% of their stuff or 20% of the engine output.
00;27;17;02 - 00;27;26;09
Speaker 1
I think 20% of the I'm pretty sure it's output, uh, is internal combustion. I don't think it's going to be 20% of the products. I think it's 20% of the output is internal.
00;27;26;09 - 00;27;36;08
Speaker 2
Oh, that's not good. Yeah. See, I just, I can't see that. Right, like there's just so many problems and we've discussed that on other shows. Sorry. I know. It just seems like sacrilege, doesn't it?
00;27;37;00 - 00;27;49;13
Speaker 1
Like when it comes to when it comes to certain brands, I don't know if you've seen this is another car that was like just released and this kind of segways into the next car because the next car that we're going to be talking about is the Cadillac. Select Cadillac. So stick.
00;27;49;14 - 00;27;50;06
Speaker 2
Yeah hold my.
00;27;50;06 - 00;27;56;15
Speaker 1
Which is a Buick like beautiful. We'll get into it. We'll get we'll get into it. The B electric.
00;27;56;29 - 00;27;58;26
Speaker 2
Uh, the Cadillac. Yeah. Yeah.
00;27;59;02 - 00;28;24;00
Speaker 1
So that's a high end luxury and slash wagon. That makes sense to be electric because you want it to be as quiet and as comfortable and is waft. Obel as possible. Yeah. Absolute know if you've seen but rolls-royce has just released their first fully electric vehicle. I didn't know that. Now the specter.
00;28;24;21 - 00;28;26;05
Speaker 2
Certainly and actually it.
00;28;26;05 - 00;28;34;16
Speaker 1
Is beautiful they have released that like the design of this vehicle is decades ahead of its time.
00;28;34;16 - 00;28;35;22
Speaker 2
Really it is.
00;28;35;28 - 00;28;52;19
Speaker 1
Gorgeous. It is a spiritual successor to the phantom coupe. So size wise, it's it's a, you know, spiritual successor to the to the phantom coupe. Yeah. It looks like it is. Drop dead gorgeous.
00;28;52;19 - 00;28;53;12
Speaker 2
It is nice.
00;28;53;12 - 00;28;59;21
Speaker 1
Yeah, I love the look of that car. Rolls-Royce absolutely nailed it.
00;28;59;22 - 00;29;04;09
Speaker 2
You're Cadence. There was kind of like you were describing like an entree at a fancy restaurant.
00;29;04;09 - 00;29;11;10
Speaker 1
I'm sorry. I do not care. The pictures I have seen of this thing, I have never wanted a Rolls-Royce more.
00;29;11;17 - 00;29;18;00
Speaker 2
Now, you know what's funny is I actually just found an article that compares that exact Rolls-Royce you're talking about.
00;29;18;07 - 00;29;18;26
Speaker 1
To the Cadillac.
00;29;18;26 - 00;29;44;00
Speaker 2
And the Cadillac. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it directly compares the two. It was funny. So, I mean, you're right. The Rolls is beautiful. It's a gorgeous car. Definitely makes sense that it's a spiritual successor to the Phantom. This Cadillac, though, I mean, it's important to note, Cadillac is kind of trying to do like a subtle rebrand right now. They just did the lyric, which is like this real zesty SUV thing.
00;29;44;00 - 00;29;45;13
Speaker 2
It is. It's zesty.
00;29;45;14 - 00;29;48;29
Speaker 1
It is. I will 100% back that. It's very good. I thought.
00;29;48;29 - 00;30;07;03
Speaker 2
My God, the interior is unreal. The styling cues are so much better. It looks very significant. And it's the same with the thing we're gonna be talking about here, which is the Cadillac Celeste Stick. It's 2024. It's in TV. It almost looks like a wagon, but. And it kind of is. It's more of a hatch. It's like a hatch.
00;30;07;03 - 00;30;13;00
Speaker 2
Speedtail. Yeah, kind of. I would compare it to a long gated RC seven kind of back. Yeah.
00;30;13;01 - 00;30;15;01
Speaker 1
Like the Scorpion Jensen Interceptor.
00;30;15;01 - 00;30;16;28
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sportback, I think, right?
00;30;17;03 - 00;30;17;15
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;30;17;25 - 00;30;24;19
Speaker 2
Sort of. I don't know. Anyways, it's a big German car. You are definitely going to need that birdseye camera when you're back in this thing up.
00;30;25;01 - 00;30;28;24
Speaker 1
And they need more than one birdseye camera. You're going to need a whole flock. A pigeon. You need.
00;30;28;24 - 00;30;47;20
Speaker 2
A satellite? Yeah, for sure. It's big. Like it's a big, big boy for sure. I mean, 323 mile range on the Spector. Um, I don't know if it's going to mean anything because I don't think I have a comparison for you for the Cadillac. But I do think it was kind of similar. I mean.
00;30;47;29 - 00;31;06;18
Speaker 1
The one thing I don't like and you know what? Again, this is Cadillac's, you know, attempt at a rebrand. I'm not too sure what the I'm not too sure how I feel about the look of the back of the cab.
00;31;06;18 - 00;31;12;08
Speaker 2
The kind of like, yeah, well it's kind of speedtail ish. Like that's, that's the whole thing is it's just like this on long dated kind of whatever.
00;31;12;11 - 00;31;12;22
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;31;13;03 - 00;31;29;03
Speaker 2
But it's never really mattered with that kind of clientele. I mean, to be truthful, I mean the rules have all kind of looked the same and I mean, they'll only look nice for the reason that it's a rolls, right? Like if it was any other badge on it, I don't know if I'd get as much credit as it does and I'm guilty of the same thing.
00;31;29;03 - 00;31;53;26
Speaker 2
But what's cool with the Cadillac is it's hand-built. Like entirely hand-built, to my knowledge. Everything's forged, like, by just regular people. Like there's very little machine process here. Like it's people machining things and it's a $3,000 car for Cadillac. Yeah. So it's one of those things it's hard to justify, but is this where Cadillac's going? I certainly hope so.
00;31;54;06 - 00;32;12;02
Speaker 2
Because they still got that name. They still got that certain cachet. Yeah. And wherever you go, you know, if you say you got a Cadillac or something, people are always like, oh, Cadillac even know. Like we both know Cadillacs aren't in the same tier as Mercedes, BMW, Rolls-Royce, Audi, Lexus, especially Rolls-Royce agrees.
00;32;12;02 - 00;32;19;26
Speaker 1
It's crazy. But that's that's my issue about about Cadillac. Now what my concern is if this Celeste stick but.
00;32;19;26 - 00;32;25;27
Speaker 2
I mean if I'm looking at the two interiors between them I really don't think. Yeah like it's a tough choice man. It is.
00;32;25;29 - 00;32;41;04
Speaker 1
No I don't have an issue with with the pricing of the so stick my issue is with the badge because it's an established right now. Yeah it's it's kind of like the LFA right?
00;32;41;18 - 00;32;43;25
Speaker 2
Very much so. Well, yeah, sort of sort.
00;32;43;25 - 00;33;08;21
Speaker 1
Of bear with me. Yeah. So because with when the LFA first came out, it was a Lexus that you would spend half a million dollars on and that's a lot of money. Now, if someone said, oh, what do you drive, you would have to say a Lexus. And you're like, Oh, okay. How much did you pay for your Lexus?
00;33;09;13 - 00;33;37;02
Speaker 1
Half a million dollars. And people would look at you like you're nuts because you spent half a million dollars on a Lexus. Now, granted, like now, after some time has passed and after people realize what the car is now when someone asks, what do you drive? You don't say a Lexus. You say, I have an LFA and people lose their mind and probably you're going to have to change their underwear.
00;33;38;21 - 00;33;57;13
Speaker 1
But my concern is when the Celeste comes out and it costs $300,000 and you buy one and you spend that kind of money and someone asks, you know, and you're talking about, oh, I'm so excited. I just ordered a new vehicle. I'm super excited about it.
00;33;57;13 - 00;33;57;26
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;33;58;04 - 00;34;05;14
Speaker 1
Brand new electric vehicle. It's hand-built, it's luxurious. It's great. What is it? A Cadillac.
00;34;07;05 - 00;34;10;07
Speaker 2
And then you've got that same reaction. Yeah, I get you.
00;34;10;07 - 00;34;15;24
Speaker 1
I got you. And then you're going to have to explain it. You're like, oh, but you know, it's it's the Celeste can it's.
00;34;15;24 - 00;34;37;21
Speaker 2
And we've always talked about yeah the second you got to explain a car to talk to your thing but the second you got to explain a car to somebody, it no longer is cool. It's true. Now, I might counter something here, though. Okay. Is this a car that needs to be cool? I don't know. And there's a couple different layers to this when you start to consider Genesis, right?
00;34;37;24 - 00;34;38;04
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;34;39;05 - 00;35;03;23
Speaker 2
We both know those are nice cars. People who have the Top End, Genesis cars, you know, those are nice cars. Cars, right. And I really don't think those guys care. And you know what I mean? Like, it's not a car necessarily where you need to prove anything from the outside as much as, let's say, a sports car, a performance car, something like this, there's there's a significant, like less flash.
00;35;03;24 - 00;35;24;27
Speaker 2
There is some prestige to it. It's just a different way of delivering that. That's true visually, I would argue with Lexus and Genesis. I mean, Lexus has always been at kind of the same hierarchy, brand hierarchy as ever. Genesis is on its way up. I would say it's the new G90 is.
00;35;24;27 - 00;35;26;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. And a six figure car.
00;35;26;19 - 00;35;45;13
Speaker 2
Yep. And I would say it's at the same level as Cadillac right now. Yeah. However, I do think that Cadillac, I mean Jesus for decades was the top of elegance in the world, right? Yeah. Like they were right there with the Rolls Royces and with the main brands. I mean, so.
00;35;45;13 - 00;35;48;09
Speaker 1
Back in time and you look at the Eldorado and you just drool.
00;35;48;14 - 00;35;58;11
Speaker 2
Everything, right? Like, I mean, you go with the thirties in the forties, like, yeah, they were the top tier car for a long time. And the Cadillac, you know, it still has that name to it.
00;35;58;19 - 00;35;58;27
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;36;00;02 - 00;36;18;03
Speaker 2
So I think it's there's something to be said that they used to be the best automaker in the world, like I'm talking a very long time ago. But yeah, it's been done. You still could make that name for yourself. Would probably take about ten years. And I think it's a good start by doing this. Like I was saying earlier.
00;36;18;24 - 00;36;20;13
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, definitely diving into the.
00;36;20;18 - 00;36;28;15
Speaker 2
They've got that Bentley concept where it's like, you know, the car might remember we talked about weeks ago that one Bentley and I loved the look of it and then end up being $600,000 and then a.
00;36;28;15 - 00;36;30;00
Speaker 1
Heater or whatever it was the yeah.
00;36;30;04 - 00;36;36;06
Speaker 2
Better battery. Yeah. And I'm like, I like this, I love this. And you're like, it's 600 grand. And I was like, I hate this car.
00;36;36;06 - 00;36;37;12
Speaker 1
2 million, 2 million.
00;36;37;12 - 00;36;52;29
Speaker 2
I hate it even more. Yeah. So it's like. I feel like it's the same thing with the Cadillac. I like that car. You put it for 300,000. I don't know if it's necessarily like I would want a Cadillac for three a thousand, but you're assigning value to something and idiots are going to buy it because it's three grand.
00;36;52;29 - 00;37;03;09
Speaker 2
It's true. So if you continue to do that with more cars that like a special lyric somehow or, you know, more cars that keep pumping out, that are hand-built, beautiful.
00;37;03;09 - 00;37;07;06
Speaker 1
Have the lyric and then you have the chorus.
00;37;07;06 - 00;37;29;03
Speaker 2
I hate myself. So I all I yeah, the lyrics, the stupid name, the must be the Cadillac Bridge. We collect saxophone. So I I'll all I know is I kind of like where they're going with this. I think it looks pretty neat. Definitely kind of. It's not for everybody, but I like the hand-built part and I like the price.
00;37;29;03 - 00;37;45;12
Speaker 2
I wouldn't pay it. I don't have the money for it, but I still wouldn't pay it. And I'm interested to see where that brand is going to go now. Yeah, because this seems to be a bit of a shift because you got to think they're going into motorsport, you know, a little bit more than ever.
00;37;45;27 - 00;37;48;24
Speaker 1
And they're going to they're going to need something to to sell.
00;37;48;24 - 00;37;55;13
Speaker 2
Why are they going into motorsport? Why is the push this heavy? Why are they in IMSA and Phil Wack and Yellow mass.
00;37;55;16 - 00;37;56;04
Speaker 1
Developing.
00;37;56;13 - 00;38;07;11
Speaker 2
Somethings on the way. Yeah. So I think this is a you know something's come in here that that's that's kind of my thought process so and interestingly there's been some F1 news as well.
00;38;07;23 - 00;38;08;15
Speaker 1
Yes, there has.
00;38;08;16 - 00;38;11;14
Speaker 2
In the sense why I mean, first of all, Max Verstappen world champion.
00;38;11;23 - 00;38;14;21
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, hats off to you, Max. Good job.
00;38;14;21 - 00;38;25;20
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't care. Woo! Whatever. You might be a max fan. You know, he had a good drive this year. He did clearly a much better car kept the consistent was much more cool under pressure.
00;38;26;16 - 00;38;27;23
Speaker 1
The car was a bargain.
00;38;28;00 - 00;38;42;05
Speaker 2
The car was a big one. This car controversy right now about the whole cost cap stuff at the time of recording. We really don't know what penalty's going to end up. Yeah, we don't know who's going to go, so we'll see. But I mean, yeah, it was never really close. Was that after maybe the week three, race three.
00;38;42;05 - 00;38;51;10
Speaker 1
No. Yeah, but I mean, you know, when, when you have such a big change like you did between the 2021 and the 2022 year.
00;38;51;11 - 00;38;52;07
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah.
00;38;52;07 - 00;39;04;06
Speaker 1
Like there was a huge change the vehicles but like between the cars going from the 15 to 18 inch wheels, um, like the engines are different. The, the aerodynamic.
00;39;04;18 - 00;39;08;10
Speaker 2
Tire warmer tire warmer, what you call it heat temperatures.
00;39;08;10 - 00;39;13;23
Speaker 1
Different and different. Everything like tire compound, everything. Everything changed. Yeah, everything changed.
00;39;13;23 - 00;39;27;04
Speaker 2
Everybody kind of rolled the dice on the side pods, too. Yeah. Paid off for some people, you know, for a Red Bull. It definitely did. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, they definitely got the formula right. But we'll see if it was because of the cost cap stuff.
00;39;27;09 - 00;39;31;11
Speaker 1
Yeah. You know, I mean if had just been that bull testosterone. You never know.
00;39;31;17 - 00;39;57;03
Speaker 2
You never know. Yeah. Red Bull, the one with the zero sugar or whatever could have been it. Sugar free drinks a little lighter. Yeah. Anyways, um, well I was going to get into though in relation to the last thing we're talking about Porsche with Cadillac. Porsche. So a little bit of news we picked up on here was Porsche somehow didn't file in time to apply for a team for F1.
00;39;57;03 - 00;40;01;09
Speaker 1
Which doesn't sound very Porsche. Now being late to something doesn't sound.
00;40;01;22 - 00;40;09;06
Speaker 2
Yeah late. Like the report that went out is oh, they missed that. That was the key word. They met. They missed the filing time. No. So bye by missing.
00;40;09;06 - 00;40;11;13
Speaker 1
They purposefully did not file.
00;40;11;17 - 00;40;27;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense because if you think about, okay, so Porsche puts all this money in and everything, right? You know, they make this big announcement, they're going to be joining F1, they're going to their own team, they're going to partner with Red Bull for the time being, have a car, do all this stuff, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00;40;28;06 - 00;40;34;05
Speaker 2
They join their team out of fear, wack out of Elms and out of IMSA.
00;40;34;13 - 00;40;34;29
Speaker 1
Audi does.
00;40;35;10 - 00;40;38;07
Speaker 2
Porsche does. Yeah, right.
00;40;38;07 - 00;40;42;17
Speaker 1
Porsche did know Audi. Audi did. Audi did. Okay. Audi want everything out.
00;40;42;17 - 00;40;44;00
Speaker 2
Oh right, right. Right out of horses.
00;40;44;00 - 00;40;45;10
Speaker 1
Everything else. Porsche still there.
00;40;45;10 - 00;41;13;28
Speaker 2
So what I'm thinking is how the heck do you miss that timeline when you've got all these other moving parts in other places? And, you know, Audi makes that decision like, I don't know, I get this feeling and this is my ultimate point here. Sober and Alfa Romeo. They've got one more year left with their partnership and they will not be renewing that partnership sounds like that's an Alfa Romeo decision.
00;41;14;01 - 00;41;14;18
Speaker 1
I think so.
00;41;15;05 - 00;41;27;21
Speaker 2
They say there's still talk that things could change, blah, blah, blah. But at this time they're arguing. I don't I think Alfa has done it's done its job. I don't think they have the money to keep that going. I mean it's hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars Alfa.
00;41;27;21 - 00;41;29;14
Speaker 1
No, definitely not selling enough cars.
00;41;29;29 - 00;41;46;01
Speaker 2
They're just not, at least not over here. And I would suspect everywhere else and I don't think it's really paying off and I think it did the job like brand recognition wise. I think at this point, like if you don't know Alfa by now, you're not going to know them. So I think they're gone. I think sober is going to stick around.
00;41;46;01 - 00;41;52;02
Speaker 2
And I mean the speculation is Porsche Audi is going to be all over that 2025, 2026 when the time comes.
00;41;52;07 - 00;41;52;16
Speaker 1
Yeah.
00;41;54;01 - 00;42;14;03
Speaker 2
I think, you know, because this was publicized pretty heavily after the whole Audi and Porsche announcement like oh like sober and off in trouble. Like I wonder why that is. Like it's probably because a Porsche, Audi, I think Porsche learned at the same time the rest of us did. I think that's really what happened. They're like, Damn, you know what?
00;42;14;03 - 00;42;20;16
Speaker 2
Why don't we just do that? Yeah. So I bet you what they'll do is either partner or buyout sober.
00;42;20;16 - 00;42;22;07
Speaker 1
What? Porsche will. Yeah, okay.
00;42;22;19 - 00;42;48;02
Speaker 2
And then that becomes, you know, like, you got to think, right? Red Bull owns all of the Honda stuff now, right? It's not that Honda is no longer involved. No, it's Red Bull engines that Honda just developed. Yeah. So why wouldn't Porsche just buy it by all like their other developed stuff? Um, then they don't necessarily have to worry about maybe an engine supply stuff because I think that they're 100% not doing engine supplier stuff.
00;42;48;08 - 00;42;52;12
Speaker 2
Now with Porsche not filing. I mean, they can't.
00;42;52;13 - 00;42;53;10
Speaker 1
They missed, they missed it.
00;42;53;19 - 00;43;14;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. So they like something else is up here. So I just feel like in the word. So why not just buy sober and then partner with the Porsche Audi team in 2025, 2026. Because stuff moves around all the time. Yeah. And then just have somebody else provide the engine. Why not take that easy. Right? Like, why not like or you know, want another thing too is the synthetic fuel stuff could be changing things.
00;43;14;14 - 00;43;14;24
Speaker 1
Okay.
00;43;15;07 - 00;43;22;22
Speaker 2
Right. I think one of the things I've speculated is synthetic fuel. Like why not just try to see how much you can burn in a race if it's clean burning, bring back some V tons.
00;43;23;10 - 00;43;28;21
Speaker 1
Or 98. That was something that Porsche was was wanting to develop though was synthetic fuels.
00;43;29;03 - 00;43;32;04
Speaker 2
They are they're the leaders. Yeah. And it right now. Yeah. Yeah.
00;43;32;12 - 00;43;58;23
Speaker 1
So I think if Formula One is working on how synthetic fuels, perform in, you know, extreme high performance, I think Porsche is going to want to try and get as big of a piece of that pie as possible so that they can, you know, move that technology into their road cars. Yeah. Because if they can imagine if they can bring back like a high revving V8 or a V ten into a road.
00;43;58;23 - 00;44;06;07
Speaker 2
Car, again me started. I wish, I wish. And I actually for the first time feel like that could be a realistic option. They could because if they.
00;44;06;07 - 00;44;08;17
Speaker 1
Do not within the next ten years, probably.
00;44;08;25 - 00;44;33;11
Speaker 2
But I don't know. It depends whenever they crack it, right. Like if they're already switching to that in the cars next year, I feel like you would want to have working out like different ways for the fuel to burn and like to maximize the efficiency, whatever. Right. Why not give them a high performance like Big Boy Engine, a V8, a V, ten, some even a V12, who the hell cares?
00;44;33;23 - 00;44;55;05
Speaker 2
And then focus purely on fuel consumption and the way it burns and making sure it burns clean. And honestly, at that point it pushes the provider to figure out how they can provide that much more fuel to these teams in a shorter amount of time, because that's really the biggest issue. Synthetic fuels here, like we've talked about it, it's here, it works, everything's fine.
00;44;55;13 - 00;45;03;21
Speaker 2
The issue is mass production. So whenever that gets figured out is when we're going to see this at.
00;45;04;05 - 00;45;04;16
Speaker 1
Really tight.
00;45;04;18 - 00;45;04;29
Speaker 2
Petrol.
00;45;04;29 - 00;45;05;28
Speaker 1
Pumps. Yes.
00;45;06;03 - 00;45;26;20
Speaker 2
So we'll see. Like I wouldn't be shocked if you told me for years. I would be shocked if you told me 15. I mean, it really depends. Stuff moves quick, right? Like, I mean, I didn't think everybody was going to be electric as fast as it did. Right. Like that seem to happen overnight. Now we have like high performance supercars where we're talking about in a couple of years they'll be like 60% electrical output.
00;45;27;00 - 00;45;36;17
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. But I mean, it was weird, very un Porsche ish move at the bottom line like something else is coming. Here is something to keep an eye on. It's something we're going to keep an eye on.
00;45;36;20 - 00;45;56;28
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. So we have, uh, we have one more thing before we finish off the show and, and it's, it's our other segment. Mm. And if you don't know what that is, uh, go back to the first, I don't know, what is it, eight episodes.
00;45;56;28 - 00;45;59;17
Speaker 2
Nine. Yep. And sort of we had a couple special.
00;45;59;17 - 00;46;00;23
Speaker 1
This, we did have a couple specials.
00;46;00;24 - 00;46;01;20
Speaker 2
Go listen some of go.
00;46;01;20 - 00;46;03;24
Speaker 1
Listen to some episodes. If you don't know what what segway.
00;46;03;24 - 00;46;11;02
Speaker 2
We're gonna listen to the first three the first three or we talk through McDonald's, what do you call it, drive thru drive window phone.
00;46;11;03 - 00;46;15;08
Speaker 1
I guess it's their bad, but, uh, anyway, fuck that car.
00;46;15;11 - 00;46;19;21
Speaker 2
Mm. Cue that music to that music. Cue the music. Fuck that car. Like the song. Oh.
00;46;20;05 - 00;46;26;01
Speaker 1
Okay. So it's my pick this week. I know you preemptively picked your your vehicle for next year's.
00;46;26;01 - 00;46;26;23
Speaker 2
Yes, the Ghibli.
00;46;27;00 - 00;46;36;03
Speaker 1
The Ghibli. Oddly enough, my vehicle starts with the same letter. A g a g wagon.
00;46;36;03 - 00;46;38;17
Speaker 2
Oh, okay. Yeah.
00;46;38;17 - 00;46;47;17
Speaker 1
G-Wagon the the Mercedes g-wagon. Now, I okay. First of all, I want to, I want to say I don't hate.
00;46;47;28 - 00;46;49;04
Speaker 2
Does this car make you mad?
00;46;49;04 - 00;46;54;07
Speaker 1
I it's the the car makes me mad. Why? The people that buy it makes me mad.
00;46;54;07 - 00;46;56;12
Speaker 2
Okay, explain. Okay. Get fired up here.
00;46;56;25 - 00;47;05;05
Speaker 1
Okay. So first of all, the g-wagon is a brick, okay? Like and you cannot deny that the g-wagon is an absolute.
00;47;05;17 - 00;47;06;05
Speaker 2
It's a part of a.
00;47;06;05 - 00;47;37;10
Speaker 1
Car. It is an it is a large of a car like you're going to superstore or some, you know, whatever fucking bullshit grocery store and you're like, I want a brick of lard. Like I want a 17 kilogram block of lard that I'm going to be melting down to cover my body with. Like, that's, that's the type of person that's going to buy a g-wagon because it's the only type of person who has that few brain cells to think, I'm going to spend a quarter of $1,000,000 on a brick.
00;47;37;27 - 00;47;41;09
Speaker 1
Now, they're they're not comfortable to drive.
00;47;41;09 - 00;47;41;17
Speaker 2
No.
00;47;42;09 - 00;47;51;04
Speaker 1
In any way. They're not aerodynamic now in any way because it's a brick. They're not going to offroading. They're not they're not. Well, okay. They're not terrible at offroading.
00;47;51;16 - 00;47;52;28
Speaker 2
Conceptually, they suck it off road.
00;47;52;28 - 00;47;54;23
Speaker 1
Conceptually, they suck it off really.
00;47;54;23 - 00;47;59;01
Speaker 2
Because if you have Magno Paint that's valued at about $25,000 for a respray minimum.
00;47;59;06 - 00;48;17;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. So if you were to buy a g-wagon, you're not going to take it off roading. If I was to buy a Porsche Cayenne, I would take it off roading. So yeah, I wouldn't have an issue with it because you know what, I'm not going to be spending $25,000 on a paint job on a Porsche.
00;48;18;02 - 00;48;19;13
Speaker 2
Not a $250,000 car.
00;48;19;14 - 00;48;22;14
Speaker 1
No, it's not a gotcha. It's $120,000 car.
00;48;22;18 - 00;48;25;07
Speaker 2
That's just is who is the G-Wagon built for?
00;48;25;25 - 00;48;46;17
Speaker 1
The G-Wagon is built for Muppets. Muppets like absolute Muppets, the people who have so much throwaway money and they're just trying to to find a way to show how much money they have by buying the worst vehicle possible. Because it's a quarter of $1,000,000. Yeah, that's a lot vehicle like that. So there's a lot of shit you could buy for anything.
00;48;46;17 - 00;48;48;15
Speaker 2
Over 120. You're in a car, anything territorial.
00;48;48;15 - 00;49;02;12
Speaker 1
Anything over 120. You can buy so many things. You have so many choices. So you have so much throwaway money. If you're spending a quarter of $1,000,000 on a vehicle, you could buy supercars, you could buy hypercars, you could buy hyper luxury.
00;49;02;12 - 00;49;04;10
Speaker 2
Even just as SUVs. Your options are insane.
00;49;04;10 - 00;49;26;06
Speaker 1
Even a SUVs. Exactly. If someone gave you a quarter of $1,000,000 and you said, go buy an SUV, you could buy pretty much whatever the fuck you wanted. Yeah. Minus, you know, a brand new Bentley Bentayga Rolls-Royce or probably the new Ferrari purchase, the purchasing way. But, you know, you could buy for $250,000. What you could buy an Aston Martin.
00;49;26;25 - 00;49;27;11
Speaker 1
You could buy really?
00;49;28;03 - 00;49;28;09
Speaker 2
Really.
00;49;28;09 - 00;49;34;26
Speaker 1
You can buy it for $50,000. You could buy a used Lamborghini Urus for $220,000.
00;49;34;28 - 00;49;41;14
Speaker 2
It is important to know that the interior of this thing still sucks. It still sucks. Like in the brand. Not good.
00;49;41;14 - 00;49;45;25
Speaker 1
Even the brand new ones that yes, the brand new ones have the updated touch screen in the updated, you know.
00;49;45;25 - 00;49;46;25
Speaker 2
It doesn't matter.
00;49;47;03 - 00;49;52;21
Speaker 1
And you have the fancy steering wheel with the haptic feedback, who cares?
00;49;52;21 - 00;50;04;18
Speaker 2
It doesn't matter. Who cares? And you know what the big thing I always said to was like, you know, my car 20 1463, right? Yeah. The 2014 G-Wagon has virtually the same.
00;50;04;18 - 00;50;05;23
Speaker 1
Exactly the same interior.
00;50;06;14 - 00;50;07;22
Speaker 2
My seats are better.
00;50;07;22 - 00;50;21;00
Speaker 1
Yes. So and more comfortable. Yeah. And your yours. Yours is more comfortable to be in. Yeah. In a driving position or in a passenger position. Yeah. Because I have both driven and been the passenger in G-Wagon. I believe I.
00;50;21;00 - 00;50;22;01
Speaker 2
Have less road noise.
00;50;22;23 - 00;50;23;03
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;50;23;19 - 00;50;25;04
Speaker 2
And I believe mine rides better.
00;50;25;04 - 00;50;42;03
Speaker 1
Yes. The G-Wagon is terrible at corners. It is terrible at acceleration. The G6 five with the V12 that is worse on fuel is actually slower than the G63, which has the V8, mainly because the g63 has more torque right. It's a turbocharged.
00;50;42;06 - 00;50;45;12
Speaker 2
So you're even saying, you know, the G 65 is that with the V12?
00;50;45;15 - 00;50;48;09
Speaker 1
Those are V12. It was a worse. So yeah, there's worse.
00;50;48;13 - 00;50;55;13
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, for sure. But it was like actually we're still talking about historical G-Wagon is being expensive here.
00;50;55;19 - 00;50;57;02
Speaker 1
Yes. So it doesn't matter.
00;50;57;09 - 00;51;00;21
Speaker 2
How much are you talking like like what's like a 2008.
00;51;00;21 - 00;51;04;07
Speaker 1
The two that you're spending? I don't know, maybe $60,000.
00;51;04;07 - 00;51;08;25
Speaker 2
Really? Yeah. And is that for an AMG or is that that that's like.
00;51;08;25 - 00;51;11;17
Speaker 1
A 500 that's ag5 hundred on.
00;51;11;24 - 00;51;12;12
Speaker 2
The base model.
00;51;12;27 - 00;51;26;23
Speaker 1
Yes. You still you still technically get the V8, but you get the 28 Mercedes interior with the one, two, three, 456780 in the in the round buttons that make the weird clicky noise. Like, like, oh, yeah.
00;51;26;26 - 00;51;30;20
Speaker 2
It's just it's just a disgusting mac. Yes. And you get a 5.5 under the hood.
00;51;31;04 - 00;51;37;08
Speaker 1
5.5 compressor V8. I believe it's compressor. Yeah. Supercharged. Oh wow.
00;51;38;13 - 00;51;40;27
Speaker 2
What a, what a crock. 60 grand.
00;51;40;27 - 00;51;46;04
Speaker 1
60 grand. Oh, for some crap interior Mercedes that drives like a piece of shit.
00;51;46;11 - 00;51;48;14
Speaker 2
Because that's that's kind of what I was getting at is.
00;51;48;25 - 00;51;52;20
Speaker 1
If you I think with any you could buy an e63 wagon.
00;51;53;15 - 00;52;13;13
Speaker 2
Yeah. You know my point is why would you not do any year? Okay. So from 2000 to 2008 and 14,022. Yeah. Why would you not take like the performance car of whatever that year was? Okay, so let's say 2022, you're not even performance car at 63.
00;52;13;19 - 00;52;15;23
Speaker 1
Okay. I would drool.
00;52;15;23 - 00;52;25;29
Speaker 2
Over an F 63. Yes, right. Yes, absolutely. Yep. 2014. I'd rather my car for sure. So C 63 E 63.
00;52;26;09 - 00;52;27;12
Speaker 1
E 63.
00;52;27;12 - 00;52;32;12
Speaker 2
Wagon wagons. I mean, for sure those of you in Europe that are listening. Yes.
00;52;32;20 - 00;52;35;03
Speaker 1
For this e63 wagon in North America.
00;52;36;17 - 00;52;41;05
Speaker 2
Yeah. That's true. But like C 63, I can say my car C 63 507 wagon. I would.
00;52;41;11 - 00;52;42;06
Speaker 1
Rule, I would refer.
00;52;43;17 - 00;52;47;04
Speaker 2
2008. I mean, lots of options.
00;52;47;04 - 00;52;50;22
Speaker 1
I mean, like even if even if you look at a 28, so if you.
00;52;50;22 - 00;52;54;03
Speaker 2
Go to 2027, R 63, wherever there.
00;52;54;05 - 00;53;05;26
Speaker 1
Are 63 wagons which are the exact same engine as you would get in the G 63 of the same year. Yep. Exact same engines. Yeah. And they cost a third of the price.
00;53;06;16 - 00;53;10;09
Speaker 2
And well my point is what is different about the inside.
00;53;10;22 - 00;53;11;04
Speaker 1
Nothing.
00;53;11;13 - 00;53;15;11
Speaker 2
That's what I mean now. So it's like you're paying for a Lego car. Yes.
00;53;15;11 - 00;53;16;14
Speaker 1
Essentially, yes.
00;53;16;14 - 00;53;24;18
Speaker 2
Yeah. So I've actually joined your for that car of the week because. Yeah, I actually hate it too. I hear.
00;53;24;22 - 00;53;26;17
Speaker 1
You. Wagon is a gross wagon.
00;53;26;24 - 00;53;31;18
Speaker 2
It is a cross wagon. Grotesque car. Yeah, it's just stupid. I don't like what it stands for.
00;53;31;24 - 00;53;33;04
Speaker 1
And honestly, if it's a.
00;53;33;04 - 00;53;33;20
Speaker 2
Clunker.
00;53;33;20 - 00;53;37;14
Speaker 1
If you if you look at any generation of a G wagon from the front, it looks cross-eyed.
00;53;39;00 - 00;53;46;14
Speaker 2
I, I can and think that now that's ruined forever. Well, yeah, it does. It does. It's a cross-eyed it looks the way that.
00;53;46;16 - 00;53;47;14
Speaker 1
The way that the halogens.
00;53;47;25 - 00;53;52;24
Speaker 2
Get cross-eyed like lick its own nose in the water. Yeah. Yeah. It's like.
00;53;52;24 - 00;53;56;13
Speaker 1
A snowflake landed on, on the, on the Mercedes badge and it's just like six.
00;53;56;13 - 00;54;16;06
Speaker 2
String it. Yeah. Yeah, I hate that. My God. Thanks for telling me that. Jesus Christ. Anyways, anyways anyway anyways. Yeah. I don't like the g-wagon very much. I don't like that. I don't like like the old ones and the used ones and it's all just cloaked but side pipes.
00;54;16;17 - 00;54;17;03
Speaker 1
Side pipes.
00;54;17;03 - 00;54;19;22
Speaker 2
I know that's a that's the only name quality.
00;54;19;23 - 00;54;26;09
Speaker 1
Again I'm not hating on every single g-wagon out there because there are some of them that are really nice.
00;54;26;09 - 00;54;27;19
Speaker 2
You're hitting on the going for the price.
00;54;27;19 - 00;54;32;14
Speaker 1
I'm just. Did you wait into the for the price. Yes, for the price. And the people who buy it. That's why I'm hating on it because.
00;54;32;23 - 00;54;37;19
Speaker 2
It's still stupid. It is stupid. It is. It should be. It should be one of their cheaper cars.
00;54;37;19 - 00;54;55;16
Speaker 1
Yes, yes, yes. If it should be. Honestly, if the G-Wagon and the E-Class were priced in the same, you know, bracket ish, like where if you could buy a g63 or an e63 s wagon for around the same price or even a glass, even a GLC. Yeah, I'd be like, sure. Yeah, that makes sense. 5% no problem. Yeah.
00;54;55;16 - 00;55;06;12
Speaker 2
Because the GLC is nicer. Yeah. But like if you wanted to pay for the novelty of having a g-wagon in the side pipes and whatever, but I'm sure it should be the same price. But the interior is worse. The glossy interior is gorgeous.
00;55;06;12 - 00;55;11;18
Speaker 1
It's way before way nicer. It's unbelievable. And the seats are more comfortable. And the ride has been.
00;55;11;18 - 00;55;12;16
Speaker 2
I believe it's half the.
00;55;12;16 - 00;55;13;21
Speaker 1
Price. It is half the price.
00;55;14;00 - 00;55;14;17
Speaker 2
It's insane.
00;55;14;18 - 00;55;15;02
Speaker 1
If you would.
00;55;15;06 - 00;55;16;08
Speaker 2
Rather have the GLC.
00;55;16;10 - 00;55;20;16
Speaker 1
63 versus a GLS 60 three half the price.
00;55;21;03 - 00;55;22;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's crazy, man. That's crazy.
00;55;23;02 - 00;55;25;07
Speaker 1
Okay, maybe not have the price. $75,000.
00;55;25;07 - 00;55;27;11
Speaker 2
I think it's yeah it's. Substantial.
00;55;27;15 - 00;55;29;13
Speaker 1
It is a substantial amount of money.
00;55;29;27 - 00;55;31;25
Speaker 2
Yeah. I hate that. I hate that so much.
00;55;32;03 - 00;55;40;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. So anyway. Yeah. Oh fuck that car you are going to stupid like the price and the people who buy it and the idea behind it is stupid. Fuck that car.
00;55;40;24 - 00;55;42;07
Speaker 2
Oh, hey, by the way, last week.
00;55;42;08 - 00;55;42;19
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;55;42;29 - 00;55;46;23
Speaker 2
Or not last week, but a little bit ago, we were down in Delaware. We haven't talked about this yet.
00;55;46;23 - 00;55;47;14
Speaker 1
No, we haven't.
00;55;47;15 - 00;55;51;08
Speaker 2
Delaware is kind of our local oval track. It's just a little short track.
00;55;52;11 - 00;55;54;11
Speaker 1
NASCAR, pretty series, 90 series.
00;55;54;11 - 00;56;00;09
Speaker 2
Yes, NASCAR sanctioned. So it's like the Canadian NASCAR minor leagues, basically. Yeah.
00;56;00;18 - 00;56;03;11
Speaker 1
And still an Unreal race. Oh, it.
00;56;03;11 - 00;56;08;14
Speaker 2
Was it was an Unreal race that kind of came down to the wire, too. Very much down to the big crash.
00;56;08;14 - 00;56;08;28
Speaker 1
At the end.
00;56;08;28 - 00;56;25;10
Speaker 2
Big crash at the end. Yes, it was it was pretty insane. And no, it was it was just it was a good, good race to be a man. It was nice to go to like our local track and kind of take all of that in, watch a cup, you know, like we got to watch quali. We had a good time there.
00;56;25;10 - 00;56;27;07
Speaker 2
We had some nice passes, we got some food.
00;56;27;07 - 00;56;28;23
Speaker 1
Numerous beer cozies taken home.
00;56;28;27 - 00;56;48;26
Speaker 2
Yes. Oh, absolutely. And unfortunately, we did get to see our good buddy Sam, but he was bound by some sort of poverty car. Yes. He got turned into turn three and that sucked. So his day was over. I want to say like lap nine. Yes. I think it was sucked.
00;56;48;26 - 00;56;52;03
Speaker 1
It was really like early on into the race. Yeah. He looked.
00;56;52;03 - 00;56;56;08
Speaker 2
Okay. Like Sam did a decent job of qualifying too. Like kind of a cold, colder day, like.
00;56;56;13 - 00;56;59;27
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, his. His first lap was quick.
00;56;59;27 - 00;57;01;15
Speaker 2
It was really good first lap.
00;57;01;15 - 00;57;09;21
Speaker 1
And even the commentators were like, that was a great first lap, you know, let's see what he does on second. And it was just, you know, I think it was a bad injury or something like that. I know Sammy just.
00;57;09;21 - 00;57;11;20
Speaker 2
Kicked out a little bit on it. Oh, yeah.
00;57;12;02 - 00;57;24;19
Speaker 1
Um, but yeah. Coming up to two, turn three. It just didn't quite work and didn't get that that faster time. But yeah, I mean, even if like there was a potential for a definitely top ten quality spot overall.
00;57;24;19 - 00;57;43;16
Speaker 2
Absolutely. And I think the big thing too is with these shorter kind of old track, you know, NASCAR esque races, how they do quality, if you're not familiar is they just kind of have like an outlier price. You start in the pits. Yep. And you do your own laps. You know, you go around the track, that's your first lap of quality.
00;57;43;21 - 00;58;02;27
Speaker 2
You're second lap and then you're you're done. Yeah. You just two flying laps. That's it. See what you can do. You're the only car on the track, right? Then the next guy goes, next guy, whatever. Yeah. So basically Sam's out lap was fantastic. Yeah. His first lap, you know, it was like, okay, well, like, he just kind of get in the groove because it was cold, man.
00;58;02;28 - 00;58;07;11
Speaker 2
It was. So it's all about how much heat can you generate in these tires.
00;58;07;18 - 00;58;08;12
Speaker 1
With the short first.
00;58;08;12 - 00;58;23;13
Speaker 2
Time, right? Yeah. So his second lap was really the one where he had to make it count and I'm pretty sure he kicked it. Coming into turn one or out of turn one early action is tricky. Yeah. So it was just one of those things. So he ended up calling it just like middle of the pack and I just got turned.
00;58;23;13 - 00;58;32;09
Speaker 2
You could see him kind of starting to make a little bit of a charge here. Yeah, it was, you know, the the front pack in the backpack. He was kind of he was moving up. He's making the transition into the car, into the front.
00;58;32;09 - 00;58;33;02
Speaker 1
So he was.
00;58;33;29 - 00;58;36;24
Speaker 2
Sucked to see. It was good to see him, though. We talked to him for a quick second.
00;58;37;23 - 00;58;39;29
Speaker 1
I mean, it was because he was signing autographs.
00;58;40;00 - 00;58;56;07
Speaker 2
Oh, absolutely. It's always good to see him. I mean, obviously, our summer podcast, we had a great time at Canadian Tire Motorsports Park up by Toronto. Yeah. And Pinto is a good series. So if you're in the area, you know, I know we have some people who listen in the London area, which is very close to Delaware. It is very close.
00;58;57;01 - 00;59;18;20
Speaker 2
It's good to go to. That was our season finale. That was the last race of the year and it was right here just in our neck of the woods. And it was cool, man. It's cool to go. So, uh, kind of sucks because it kind of almost marks the end of the race season. We got three F1 races remaining, which is the Big Stinky, I think it's for U.S., Mexico, Abu Dhabi and something else.
00;59;19;17 - 00;59;20;02
Speaker 2
Um.
00;59;20;11 - 00;59;20;29
Speaker 1
Jeddah.
00;59;21;27 - 00;59;23;04
Speaker 2
Maybe.
00;59;23;04 - 00;59;24;17
Speaker 1
I know that was a joke, so maybe.
00;59;24;20 - 00;59;45;07
Speaker 2
Maybe I thought was sort of the end the year, I don't know. But, uh, yeah, no. So things are winding down. The forces stuff. I mean, we didn't have a whole lot to talk about. We had too much. We covered that, you know, like in our dedicated episode. But, um, you know, we're going to be talking a little bit more about the nostalgia part, I think.
00;59;45;22 - 00;59;47;23
Speaker 2
Yeah, I've Horizon one.
00;59;47;25 - 01;00;10;23
Speaker 1
Come, come later this month, end of October even, you know, maybe beginning of November. Yeah. It's we're going to be talking a lot about Horizon one. We want to focus on how Horizon One made us feel, the nostalgia behind it. Some of our favorite things about, you know, well, we'll go over the cars, we'll go over the story.
01;00;10;23 - 01;00;19;12
Speaker 1
We'll go over, you know, the feelings that you got, you know, starting that game up and and going at it for the first time. Yeah. Like it was ten years ago.
01;00;19;15 - 01;00;44;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know. It's pretty wild. And like, we'll relive some of the different components of it and we'll kind of go through the various parts like what were the showcase cars, what were the unicorns, what were some of the different storylines that people you would have ended up playing against the cut scenes? You know, some of our favorite cars, cars that haven't been in the game since, ideas or concepts that were introduced that we take for granted now.
01;00;45;11 - 01;01;04;15
Speaker 2
Um, music for sure. We're going to have a lot to talk about with music. Music, how that really kind of, you know, forged things and even changed a lot of our own personal music tastes. Yeah, that's a big point as well. So that'll be an exciting show. I mean, as far as for this stuff, yeah, we didn't talk too much about it this week.
01;01;04;24 - 01;01;20;14
Speaker 2
There isn't a whole lot like this is just a kind of like a celebratory month. I mean, we haven't getting a lot of questions, though, about the donut sort of characters that are going to be in the game. So I just want to assure people this is happening.
01;01;20;14 - 01;01;21;24
Speaker 1
It is happening. I guess this is happening.
01;01;21;24 - 01;01;26;06
Speaker 2
This wasn't like rumor is wasn't anything like that. No, this was in their show. This is something they confirmed.
01;01;26;07 - 01;01;32;01
Speaker 1
It is happening. It is happening in the update after this one finishes. So after.
01;01;32;04 - 01;01;33;10
Speaker 2
Oh, that's official. Yep.
01;01;33;11 - 01;01;43;28
Speaker 1
After the week of the Horizon four finale for the anniversary pack this season, after that, which I believe is season 14 or season 15.
01;01;44;22 - 01;01;46;29
Speaker 2
It's probably 14, I think, right?
01;01;47;09 - 01;01;49;24
Speaker 1
I think so. I don't know. Whatever It's whatever it's going.
01;01;49;24 - 01;01;50;11
Speaker 2
Some season.
01;01;52;14 - 01;02;06;14
Speaker 1
The season after this current one or like yeah, the series after this current one. So you're going to have your horizon one, two, three, four after horizon four finishes, then it's going to update. That's where we're going to see the donut stuff poppin.
01;02;07;08 - 01;02;07;28
Speaker 2
Right. Okay.
01;02;07;29 - 01;02;09;26
Speaker 1
The fact confirmed it is happening.
01;02;09;26 - 01;02;14;00
Speaker 2
Okay. Yeah, well, we'll be sure to put that out on social media.
01;02;14;02 - 01;02;14;12
Speaker 1
Yes.
01;02;15;15 - 01;02;21;08
Speaker 2
But yeah, that's going to be exciting. It is. That's going to solve a lot of issues that we've complained about.
01;02;21;08 - 01;02;25;06
Speaker 1
These two months are going to be good. Like you get that first free stuff and then you get donut. When we.
01;02;25;07 - 01;02;38;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, we're like, I mean, that's a big reason why, you know, we kind of took a little bit of a break here. There's a bit of a lot going on. We had hot Wheels car packer. The expansion. Expansion was good. It was it was it was still playable with it. But I mean, the game itself, like we're starting to get into the dog days.
01;02;38;26 - 01;03;00;27
Speaker 2
I think after these next two little updates, if you will, it'll be a ton of fun, but it'll be interesting to see how they kind of keep things going because I fear we may begin that lull right before the new Forza motorsport. Yeah, that's kind of my guess. That's. That would be my guess. So I have to see what to see what the life cycle of this game is going to be, too.
01;03;01;14 - 01;03;20;27
Speaker 2
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Like the new Forza motorsport that's coming, it sounds like this is like a Fortnite kind of thing where it's going to just be the same game that's around for a while and it just keeps getting updated. Right? Or GTA five is another good comparison, right, where it's just it's, you know, and then they just update it and they add stuff and just over.
01;03;20;27 - 01;03;21;24
Speaker 1
And over and over and over.
01;03;21;24 - 01;03;27;18
Speaker 2
And over, it sounds like that's probably what's going to happen if the name is going to just Forza motorsport.
01;03;27;28 - 01;03;29;06
Speaker 1
Yep.
01;03;29;06 - 01;03;45;29
Speaker 2
So it'll be interesting to see if the concept remains with Horizon five. Yeah. Like where they just kind of, you know, keep that same game for a while. I don't know. It's equipped to do it like that. But I mean, with any Horizon game, at some point the map gets stale.
01;03;46;21 - 01;03;47;01
Speaker 1
Yeah.
01;03;47;11 - 01;03;49;23
Speaker 2
So and it'll be interesting.
01;03;49;23 - 01;03;54;10
Speaker 1
To I think, you know, we're, we're kind of getting to that point with Horizon five with that main map is.
01;03;55;14 - 01;03;56;18
Speaker 2
Getting I don't like it.
01;03;56;24 - 01;03;58;04
Speaker 1
It's it's stale.
01;03;58;04 - 01;04;20;21
Speaker 2
You know, like we were talking about this, it was really good, right? Like when we started doing the show. Oh, yeah. Like Whole Boy. Was the game ever great? It just seemed electric the first month. It wasn't even like, you know, we were just playing into the hype or whatever. It seemed great. It seemed fantastic, and then it just kind of fell flat story wise.
01;04;21;22 - 01;04;40;19
Speaker 2
And I think it's because at that point when you start having to put so much time into, okay, well, there's no story, there's not really a ton of direction. Same issue is always it's not like a ton going on. Then you just drive around, right? You drive from place to place, you do whatever. And then you get sick of the map because you get overexposed to the map.
01;04;40;26 - 01;04;41;12
Speaker 2
And you know what I mean?
01;04;41;23 - 01;05;08;08
Speaker 1
So now the like Forza has had enough cars and Horizon five that I very much just enjoy driving and the map is enjoyable enough for me to like have those two or three favorite roads that I'll just drive on. But once I've done that drive with the new cars or the drive with, you know, some of my favorite cars, I'm just bored and I'm just like, all right, I've done what I want to do in the season.
01;05;08;09 - 01;05;17;01
Speaker 1
I have the new car, I've driven it around. It's all right, and that's done. That's it. Like, I don't I don't feel compelled to continue to play.
01;05;18;06 - 01;05;37;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know, man. I, I don't know what the solution is with the game. I kind of do sort of like. But yeah, it'll just be interesting to see how they, they kind of combine a lot of these issues over the next little bit. But regardless, yeah. So that's all that's going on with motorsport. Nothing too crazy right now.
01;05;37;17 - 01;05;44;27
Speaker 2
ERPs, motorsport, fucking Jesus, nothing crazy going on with Horizon. Yeah. More about stuff in the car world. So anyway.
01;05;45;02 - 01;06;04;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, but I think that's I think that's really about it. I mean, we have nothing more, more at the moment. Again, as, as time continues, as the next couple of weeks unfold, especially with this anniversary pack, we're going to be doing a lot of updates on Instagram. So please make sure check out the Instagram follow up with that.
01;06;04;26 - 01;06;17;12
Speaker 1
We're going to be posting videos on the interest screens. First one's up there already for Horizon one. Yeah, rising to three and for the interest reason, interest greens are going to be on there and then boom, we're going to be into the donut expansion. So we're doing updates.
01;06;17;12 - 01;06;28;01
Speaker 2
So some quiet stuff right now. Like I mean, it is what it is, right? Just a nice quiet episode. Yeah, yeah. Fans are coming and stuff so that'll do it.
01;06;28;10 - 01;06;53;18
Speaker 1
That'll do it for episode and the ten episode. Ten double digits baby. Yep.
01;06;53;18 - 01;07;09;14
Speaker 3
This time. No, not lots and lots and lots.