On this episode, Aren is absolutely waffled from a few girly drinks. We discuss the upcoming Forza Motorsport reboot game that has had a lot of people talking lately after its lacklustre Bethesda event. We dissect the event, and decide if there were a lot of details to be positive about, or if there were too few to be confident. We unpacked every single new detail, and circled back to points that we already knew about the game. We also hinted about a major track that we know is returning that we will reveal sometime in the spring. Aside from the latest Forza Motorsport news, we briefly talk Forza Horizon, and the new Japanese car pack that was released, the 24 Hours of Daytona, Jason's frustrations with fast food chefs, the problem with the Toyota Prius, and more. We also have some words to say about Ken Block, someone that we will forever be indebted to as motorsport enthusiasts. Enjoy some laughs, some frustrations, some strong words, and some heartfelt ones too on this 3AM edition of the Forza World Podcast.
On this episode, Aren is absolutely waffled from a few girly drinks. We discuss the upcoming Forza Motorsport reboot game that has had a lot of people talking lately after its lacklustre Bethesda event. We dissect the event, and decide if there were a lot of details to be positive about, or if there were too few to be confident. We unpacked every single new detail, and circled back to points that we already knew about the game. We also hinted about a major track that we know is returning that we will reveal sometime in the spring. Aside from the latest Forza Motorsport news, we briefly talk Forza Horizon, and the new Japanese car pack that was released, the 24 Hours of Daytona, Jason's frustrations with fast food chefs, the problem with the Toyota Prius, and more. We also have some words to say about Ken Block, someone that we will forever be indebted to as motorsport enthusiasts. Enjoy some laughs, some frustrations, some strong words, and some heartfelt ones too on this 3AM edition of the Forza World Podcast.
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Speaker 1
Of her personal. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Episode 12, number 12 of the For the World podcast, the Borsa Borsa McNugget VIX Nuggets.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, we've been back a little bit. Bookies out of the CS recently.
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Speaker 3
Yes. Backlit bit, bookmarklet bit.
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Speaker 2
Really good one.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, that's a good one. Episode 12 Thank you all for being here. Thank you for coming. Uh, so there's quite a lot of news that was released. This was, uh, the day, the day that we're recording this is the day that the, what's it called?
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Speaker 3
The stupid things of Forza Motorsport.
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Speaker 1
That's it.
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Speaker 3
The stream street.
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Speaker 1
Developer, stream developers, developer developers, direct whatever it's called. Yeah. So anyway, there was a stream that was released that showed a bunch of stuff for the new Forza motorsport game. There was the stuff for for the horizon where they released the Let's Go episode where it showed you what's coming in for the Horizon five. So we got a lot of stuff to talk about game related.
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Speaker 1
So it's going to be a for a related stream surprise. It's, you know, for them.
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Speaker 2
Lots of stuff to talk about finally. Yeah finally have something to talk about that isn't just pure nonsense. I'm going to pedaling.
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Speaker 1
I know. And we're not we're not trying to fill in the gaps. We're not trying to find stuff to talk about. Actually, and to actually have stuff.
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Speaker 2
To discuss that is informational and educational and kind of a significant I.
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Speaker 1
Don't know, but it's a big one. I don't know about educational it's it's more informational and planning.
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Speaker 2
I lean more towards non sense I guess. Yes. I mean this is a big deal. I mean somebody had commented and it's true this is the first little tidbit of for this stuff. Oh, I mean, it's been six years since a motorsport game has been out. It has. And by the sound of it, this is probably going to be a fall 2023 release.
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Speaker 1
Most likely.
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Speaker 2
Feeling.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
They went from early 2023 to now they're just calling it the right like that's it.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. This year.
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Speaker 2
So I mean that says fall to me.
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Speaker 1
When and how many times have they released their game in the fall?
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Speaker 2
Almost always.
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Speaker 1
Almost always. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
So it'll be the fall.
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Speaker 1
It's going to be the fall.
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Speaker 2
It makes more sense for their product cycle and for the holiday like holiday cycle and whatnot. So yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3
I mean, but.
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Speaker 2
It is a significant game really. I mean, we've talked about it in the past. It's been a big gap. Yep. Right between games. I didn't realize it was six years. That's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1
It's it's a it's been a big gap.
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Speaker 3
It's crazy.
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Speaker 1
The biggest the biggest thing about this game is this is going to be primarily based on the series S and the series X console because with every single other game, it has been made for the old generation Xbox One, but has been enhanced for the new consoles.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. The enhancements. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. So Forza Motorsport seven, Forza Horizon four and for the Horizon five have all been enhanced or altered in some way to perform better on those consoles.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, but it wasn't, that wasn't like the primary.
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Speaker 1
That wasn't the primary target that they were hitting with the new motorsport game. That's what they're aiming for. They're aiming for the series s in the series X console, which I just ended up getting a series x. It's been.
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Speaker 2
Moneybags Erin. Moneybags Erin.
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Speaker 1
She's it's okay. Well, granted, it's been a while since they released it.
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Speaker 2
It has been, yeah.
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Speaker 1
It's been a while since they released the new console. I've been sucking on the.
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Speaker 2
Xbox.
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Speaker 1
For a while. It's been a long time.
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Speaker 2
So had that original like we we got the original one, both of us. And it's just a chunky piece of crap like it is a brick.
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Speaker 1
Granted, the series X is a brick. It is, it is.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, but your load times are a lot like shorter than tunesmith.
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Speaker 1
Oh my god, it is so quick. I've never experienced anything this quick. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 2
That's nice.
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Speaker 1
You know, when you go to load up a game and it takes a good, you know, I'm.
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Speaker 2
Five six very familiar with that.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. You're like, oh, I'm going to load up this game and then I'm going to go to the washroom and then I'm going to go get a drink and then I'm going to go get a snack. And by the time I come back, it's still going to be loading. And it's it's to the point now where I load up a game and I think I'm going to go grab a drink and I go grab a drink and it's ready to start.
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Speaker 1
Like I'm in my garage ready to go. It is so unbelievably fast. It's it doesn't make any sense to me.
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Speaker 2
I do have I do want to get into Forza motorsport.
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Speaker 1
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Sorry. Okay.
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Speaker 2
Like this is just some prelim kind of stuff here. Over 500 cars.
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Speaker 1
Yep, fine. Which, I mean, it's not. It's not record breaking.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't need a number just to be a number. No, I don't need it to be like some insane number. Then it's just granturismo style of just a different variations of the same cars.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2
100 of which are supposedly due to Forza that I'm. So that should be nice. So this is all just dashes and crap like that.
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Speaker 1
But no, but my concern is there's, there's a difference between new to Forza and new to motorsport because when they say new to Forza, it's something that hasn't been featured in a motor sport or horizon game period. And that could be anything from a variation of a car that has been in the game for six years. So they could say, hey, this version of the Porsche 962c has been in the game for seven years.
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Speaker 1
However, we're going to release a different variation of that car, and that's a technically new to for as a car. Now new to motorsport is one thing because the Brabham B six or BT six to the absolutely insane looking insane sounding Brabham track car that we both know and love that's going to be in the game that's already confirmed that be that is a new to motorsport car it's not new to Forza it is new to motorsport.
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Speaker 1
So that's my concern because that is something that I want to get into. Is the car close to its itself? I'm going to I can let you keep going on this. I have a mike's mike's hard red freeze to sip on today. I have a.
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Speaker 2
Budweiser.
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Speaker 1
You have a Budweiser? Yeah. There's no there's no craft can crack or wine to spawn tonight. It's just a alcohol. Yeah, I say that.
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Speaker 2
Well you'll need it for the rest of the show. So anyways, anyways, I mean, let's be honest here though. 100 new cars or whatever, it's no surprise considering they went out of their way to say that there's a focus on newer spec racing cars for the series like that. Seems like they literally mention that that's exactly how they phrase it.
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Speaker 1
And it's been six years. I sure hope so. Yeah, there's got to be new cars. It's been six years.
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Speaker 2
More than enough time to have like, you know.
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Speaker 1
The how many changes have there been in motorsport in general in the past six years.
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Speaker 2
Since changes and motorsport regulations. Yeah. So it doesn't surprise me either that they took this time to kind of let's say airports do it right. And they said, oh, we had like a lot of requests. It's like.
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Speaker 3
Really, you know, I wonder why for a.
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Speaker 2
Racing game to have race cars. That makes a lot of sense. Wow. So, okay, you know, to nobody's surprise. Sure, that's good. And that probably makes sense. Where I'm getting at is that these are new to for the cars because there's not too many of those in horizon because it doesn't really make a lot of goddamn sense to have GT racers everywhere in Horizon.
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Speaker 2
It's not the waste of everybody's time. So that's great. I'm down for that track environments. That's a decent number.
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Speaker 1
Mid-Ohio.
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Speaker 2
Mid-Ohio is coming as a great track.
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Speaker 1
I'm so excited for Mid-Ohio. There's, there's also another track that Jason and I know about that we're not going to mention anything about. We know it's coming with a secret.
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Speaker 3
We have secrets. We do.
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Speaker 1
Have a secret.
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Speaker 2
On what track is coming. And it's a zesty track. It is, of course, a dev. Be scared.
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Speaker 1
Be scared. We know, we know, we know. We know about it. We're not going to mention anything. So don't don't take us. But we know it's we know it's coming. We're very excited for it. It is a track that a lot will say it's attracted a lot of people know and love.
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Speaker 2
That's a it's a familiar zesty, zesty track. Yeah. And that's all we're saying.
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Speaker 1
That's all we're saying.
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Speaker 2
But we will say something soon. Yes.
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Speaker 3
Anyway, tracks.
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Speaker 2
Apparently have ten times more detail, emphasizing improvements to crowds and vegetation. Uh, touch grass. Nice. Like, sure, I'm down for it. I mean, it's better than the same 15 NPC like people in the crowd and everybody's waving the flag at the exact same time. Yeah, I'm down for that. Yeah. It's not that much of a focal point. Like, I don't know.
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Speaker 2
The emphasis they're replacing on this was like, Oh, it's super dynamic and this and that. I don't know. It sounds good. Sure. I'm you know what I mean? Like, it's a nice little small bonus thing that I'm sure will come in handy when we're taking pictures. But that's it. There is fog. Yeah, fog sounds quite nice.
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Speaker 1
I'm excited for that.
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Speaker 2
The true dynamic weather should be nice to wear that you know, will fluctuate on and off or whatever. I don't know. Same thing with day and night, I believe. Yeah. Dynamic.
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Speaker 3
Good.
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Speaker 1
Dynamic weather or time. Yeah, dynamic time that I'm excited for. Mainly because when when it comes to four is motorsport seven. This is something that I noticed if I load into a map, I can't adjust the day like the time of day or the weather itself on the track. I mean, I can adjust sunny rain night and that's about it.
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Speaker 1
But if I want a morning race when it's clear, I don't get that. It's just if I load in and it's like, cool, this is the weather that you get. You want to go take pictures of this 918 Spyder on whatever track. Cool. It's going to be overcast, right? Good luck taking pictures. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Exact. So, I mean, I'm down for it. You can kind of make something out of anything as far as weather goes. Usually I really like that. The I didn't know this the track temperatures never fluctuated as the track or the game went on.
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Speaker 1
No, I guess. No. So the the actual. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
So the actual it's I can't believe they never had that. That's insane.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. The actual, the actual track temperatures. So the, the difference in track would fluctuate between day, night and rain. But if it was overcast in a day cycle versus sunny in a day cycle, the track would be exactly the same temperature. And whether you had a three lap race or a 70 lap race, the track temperature would remain exactly the same.
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Speaker 1
Whereas now if you have a ten lap race versus a 50 lap race, the track temperature will increase over time. Of that 50 lap race compared to the ten lap race because there's more cars on it, you know, depending on the weather, if it's going from, let's say, 8:00 in the morning to, you know, noon or 1:00 in the afternoon, whatever the game determines, that temperature is going to increase because the sun is going to be at a different angle.
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Speaker 1
It's going to get hotter. It's going to be later in the afternoon as it normally would. It would make sense. You get increased grip levels faster, lap times, stuff like that. So I'm excited to see that and I'm actually curious to see how that affects the the sim racing leaks because there's a lot of sim, there's a lot of similarly sim racing nowadays.
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Speaker 1
There's a lot of stuff that's.
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Speaker 2
Supposedly a big focus of this game, too. They have said nothing about the actual interfaces and leagues and whatnot, but I would imagine that's a big component.
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Speaker 1
I think that's going to be a big thing because when you have the capabilities of simulating track temperatures, tire temperatures, tire compounds, you know, dynamic damage and weather and time and all this stuff in a game that doesn't require any modifications. And it's just like that's that's the base game. I think that's going to be a big plus for the sim racing leagues because that puts more pressure on the drivers themselves to utilize their skills.
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Speaker 1
Because in something like Forza Motorsport seven, I don't know too much about a set of courses, so I can't say anything for certain.
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Speaker 2
Simsek But yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1
But to the same point, if the track temperature itself doesn't change throughout the race, then cool. You could have an absolutely sick set up for a set of course and nail lap times consistently. But if that track temperature's changing, then that might affect it. Mm hmm. So it it it could be a huge game changer in the way of sim racing.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
I'll be interested to see just how significant it is, if it's too far one way or if you don't really notice it. I don't know. I mean, who knows? As far as other track stuff goes better on light or on track, light, reflections, whatever, it's supposed to make a big difference or pictures.
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Speaker 1
We'll see when that's that's mainly like when when you go to a track during like a hot day and you get that very hot asphalt and it kind of reflects a little bit different than when it's an overcast day. That's that off track reflection or when it's wet and you have that kind of slick shine across the entire track.
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Speaker 2
I think a good example they had was at Circuit de Catalunya. When you're on loading.
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Speaker 1
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Like the colors of light are supposed to reflect better. So like if you've got like a silver car, you kind of got a reddish hue on the bottom side of it. Yeah, which is a good point. I guess you don't really get that with the other games, so it's little details like that that should make a big difference when they're all combined.
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Speaker 1
I mean I mean, ray tracing is going to be a thing like if you have a series X console, series A, series series X.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, I don't know. It sounds like you got to.
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Speaker 2
Have a newer console to even run this game in the first place and it's going to benefit greatly from running on series x. I do have a grievance excited. Me too. But I have a grievance as one does. You don't have one. All of us to run the show all the time.
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Speaker 1
You don't you don't have one of the new consoles. Don't you.
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Speaker 3
Know, I was going to say one of the demos.
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Speaker 2
That they were doing was on the PC.
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Speaker 1
Oh, I know the mouse thing.
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Speaker 3
So there is a mouse, like a mouse or cursor on the screen and they're demoing this thing.
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Speaker 2
The Bethesda event or whatever the.
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Speaker 3
Hell, and they're running it on a goddamn PC. So the whole thing is upscaled to the nines, right? And they probably got some.
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Speaker 2
Crazy PC set up. They're like, Oh, look, I was sick. This game is.
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Speaker 3
It's like, Well, what the hell? This isn't probably even going to look anything like this on a series s, which is honestly what most people are going to be running. Yeah. So hello.
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Speaker 1
Series and series eight. Yeah, but.
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Speaker 3
You can see the stupid cursor on the back of the Corvette. I don't know. It's been floating around Twitter a little bit. I don't think too many people have called it out.
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Speaker 2
It's just something we notice anyways.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, but this one picture of Oh, look how good.
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Speaker 2
This game looks. And then there's this tiny.
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Speaker 1
Little mouse cursor. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
So it's like, Hmm, yeah. And I hope.
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Speaker 2
It isn't just completely downscaled. Yeah. Or whatever.
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Speaker 1
Right now. Something. Something I will give the game because before I got the series X console, I had the Xbox One, which was your chunky. The Chunky. Yes, yes. Xbox Thick.
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Speaker 2
Five.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Xbox Thick. So it it was it was an old, old console. But since they released cloud gaming, I ended up doing some cloud gaming on my laptop. However, the graphics in the game on cloud gaming, were it was tenfold. It was way better compared to the Xbox thick that I was using on my actual TV. It was interesting to see the difference between what an Xbox could run versus what a PC could run versus what the series X can run.
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Speaker 1
Because the series X ran significantly better and significantly quicker than what cloud gaming could run. So granted, yes, there was a cursor in that little picture. But considering how good the series S and series X consoles are, I wouldn't be surprised if it is, you know, as good as what we saw today. But at the same time, if you're trying to present how good a game looks, use the actual console that 90% of the people are going to.
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Speaker 3
Be so good.
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Speaker 2
If it's so good on console to show us.
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Speaker 1
You show us. Come on.
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Speaker 2
Like, I mean, I get the whole let's show the best possible version of this. And then there's the you.
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Speaker 1
Know what I mean? It makes sense.
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Speaker 3
But like if it was that bad on a series s that you're embarrassed to show it.
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Speaker 1
No, I'm not really another thing. I know the thing I want to mention on on that image of the same C8 Corvette picture, how do you feel about the heads up display edition?
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Speaker 3
Oh, okay. So, I don't know.
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Speaker 2
I didn't even get your opinion on this. The new heads up display, so.
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Speaker 1
I may have had a few too many drinks. I apologize if my words are slurred.
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Speaker 3
But. But no, listen. Like night. But like. Listen.
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Speaker 2
If you're not familiar, heads up display. It's like the interface, right? So the.
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Speaker 3
Like, speed gauges.
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Speaker 2
And like what place you're in and the time, like the lap timer and everything, whatever, right? Yeah. You're literally an interface.
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Speaker 3
I hate it. Like what.
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Speaker 1
The. The layout of it, the look of it.
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Speaker 3
It's just the.
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Speaker 1
Design.
00;18;26;09 - 00;18;29;19
Speaker 3
I think it's like, listen, a contrast is too heavy. That's.
00;18;29;19 - 00;18;30;20
Speaker 1
That's my mean, I gotcha.
00;18;31;02 - 00;18;34;07
Speaker 3
But it's just it's not like the other ones had, like.
00;18;34;07 - 00;18;35;26
Speaker 2
You know, the horizon one's got like a little color.
00;18;35;26 - 00;18;40;04
Speaker 3
In it or like, I get it because it's too prominent. It's too prominent, right? Like.
00;18;40;19 - 00;18;43;23
Speaker 1
If you can adjust the transparency, then it would be okay.
00;18;43;23 - 00;18;44;19
Speaker 3
Yeah, but if you can't.
00;18;44;19 - 00;18;46;05
Speaker 1
Adjust the transparency, then it's an.
00;18;46;05 - 00;18;48;19
Speaker 3
Issue plane and it doesn't look nice.
00;18;48;19 - 00;18;51;20
Speaker 2
It's just I don't know. I'm I'm not I get used to it.
00;18;51;20 - 00;18;54;24
Speaker 3
So it's really hard to explain without seeing.
00;18;54;24 - 00;18;58;18
Speaker 2
A picture of it. We'll probably post one soon and get like a poll going. I think that's actually a good idea.
00;18;58;19 - 00;18;59;12
Speaker 1
That is a good idea.
00;18;59;12 - 00;19;05;13
Speaker 3
I think they've done better and I think with six years, it just looks too simple. Like it looks like somebody didn't Photoshop in 5 minutes.
00;19;05;20 - 00;19;10;24
Speaker 1
You know, when I had favorite interfaces, my favorite heads up display interfaces horizon to.
00;19;11;18 - 00;19;12;09
Speaker 2
Present to the.
00;19;12;09 - 00;19;13;20
Speaker 1
Horizon to interface.
00;19;13;20 - 00;19;27;18
Speaker 3
Was so good. That's an example of very simple. Yeah, they didn't have the background. The new one has like the, the background and everything. That's a good point. That's a good point. So maybe they did it just so people can see that better. Maybe it's an option where you can disable that.
00;19;27;19 - 00;19;28;28
Speaker 2
Yeah, that would be nice.
00;19;29;07 - 00;19;31;21
Speaker 1
Well, you can disable the heads up display in any game but.
00;19;31;22 - 00;19;34;19
Speaker 3
No, no, but like the contrast. Oh yeah.
00;19;34;24 - 00;19;35;29
Speaker 1
Be like transparency and shit.
00;19;36;04 - 00;19;41;08
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, maybe, maybe that would help. But anyways that would be cool. I, yeah I didn't.
00;19;41;08 - 00;19;46;21
Speaker 2
Like that from that, that picture. But I mean one of the improvements though supposedly.
00;19;46;21 - 00;19;47;14
Speaker 1
Supposedly this.
00;19;47;14 - 00;19;56;18
Speaker 2
Is, this isn't a negative, but we'll get into the negatives a little bit. Okay. After this audio is supposed to be the biggest focal point, right? So I have written down.
00;19;56;18 - 00;19;58;10
Speaker 1
What like vehicle audio was.
00;19;58;10 - 00;20;01;18
Speaker 2
So they're adding in like actually this is really cool. Okay, start for something cool.
00;20;01;22 - 00;20;04;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. So they're adding in regional in-game trackside announcers.
00;20;04;22 - 00;20;11;01
Speaker 2
So for example, right, a Japanese track will have a Japanese trackside announcer, for example.
00;20;11;01 - 00;20;11;10
Speaker 3
Right.
00;20;11;12 - 00;20;20;02
Speaker 2
A track like Suzuka. Japanese track. Yeah. The trackside audio. The guy on the megaphone like he'll be speaking Japanese. It's not like that. Okay. Muffled like nothingness. Yeah.
00;20;20;02 - 00;20;21;23
Speaker 1
It really make out with you have no idea what he's saying.
00;20;21;23 - 00;20;22;06
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;20;22;09 - 00;20;23;24
Speaker 3
So it'll vary.
00;20;23;24 - 00;20;31;16
Speaker 2
From region to region and be like accurate and whatnot, which I think is a really nice touch, especially for the loading screens and whatnot. Like I think that's just very cool.
00;20;32;01 - 00;20;37;21
Speaker 1
I'm so excited for that. Now that you mention that, thinking about, Oh shit, I.
00;20;37;21 - 00;20;40;04
Speaker 3
Can read After the low, it's right after the load screen for no.
00;20;40;04 - 00;20;41;03
Speaker 1
No, no, I know what you're talking.
00;20;41;03 - 00;20;41;18
Speaker 2
About. That's what I.
00;20;41;18 - 00;20;43;24
Speaker 1
Think. Bathurst, Australia.
00;20;44;08 - 00;20;45;20
Speaker 2
Oh yeah. That's, I.
00;20;45;20 - 00;20;51;06
Speaker 1
Would love to hear some Australian dude being like, oh this is going to be a good race there guys.
00;20;51;06 - 00;20;52;19
Speaker 3
Well that's what I don't know. I don't know what the hell's.
00;20;52;22 - 00;20;57;09
Speaker 1
Going on a bunch. If I can cancel in some V8 Supercars. This is a nice find.
00;20;57;13 - 00;21;04;10
Speaker 3
Yeah. Is it some guy Wham too? Like speaking into the bike? I don't know. But, like, it's actually a good point. I wonder what the context will be.
00;21;04;10 - 00;21;05;08
Speaker 2
If it's just rambling.
00;21;05;08 - 00;21;07;03
Speaker 3
Nonsense or if it's like actually.
00;21;07;03 - 00;21;23;01
Speaker 2
Very clear what's being said? I don't know. That's a good point. But all I can think of is old motorsport for right after the load screen when you've just got like those shots fading in and out right before you press, you press ready and you've got like your tuning set up and yeah, she's starting grid. It's very cool ambiance.
00;21;23;01 - 00;21;26;23
Speaker 2
The amount of times I've fallen asleep to that like oh I know games is.
00;21;26;23 - 00;21;28;15
Speaker 1
Like or it doesn't sound like a Peanuts teacher.
00;21;28;25 - 00;21;37;16
Speaker 2
Yeah, exactly. So that's cool. Uh, car upgrades are supposed to be better. Like, the sounds.
00;21;37;16 - 00;21;38;29
Speaker 3
Are supposed to be better represented.
00;21;39;13 - 00;21;51;15
Speaker 2
That's what I'm hearing. So the turbo sounds are supposed to be more accurate depending on like, oh, well, different turbos will make different sounds and different exhaust kits. Like, you never really notice that much. That's supposed to be like a huge difference.
00;21;51;21 - 00;21;58;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, but that's, that's the same in Horizon five. Like when you, when you upgrade the exhaust, the sound of the exhaust changes it does.
00;21;58;04 - 00;21;59;23
Speaker 3
This is supposed to be a significant change.
00;21;59;23 - 00;22;00;25
Speaker 2
They say, though, it's. Oh, like.
00;22;00;26 - 00;22;02;20
Speaker 3
Extremely. I know. Oh, wow.
00;22;02;27 - 00;22;05;06
Speaker 2
Extremely noticeable tire.
00;22;05;06 - 00;22;06;10
Speaker 3
And suspension rising.
00;22;06;10 - 00;22;06;18
Speaker 1
Five.
00;22;06;18 - 00;22;13;14
Speaker 2
Wasn't I know so listen tire and suspension audio is also supposed to be upgraded. The audio components for the engine audio.
00;22;13;24 - 00;22;15;10
Speaker 3
Yeah he's supposed to be able to hear.
00;22;15;10 - 00;22;18;14
Speaker 2
I don't know what the hell you would hear. Push rods can't be that loud.
00;22;18;17 - 00;22;21;13
Speaker 1
I was going to say, maybe if you drive a jeep, it's going to be squeaking.
00;22;22;27 - 00;22;23;17
Speaker 3
Actually, there are.
00;22;23;17 - 00;22;32;17
Speaker 2
Some cars if you have like a like a like I guess you're not hitting jumps or anything, but like maybe I don't know. But they go to the way to say suspension audio. So I don't know what, you.
00;22;32;17 - 00;22;41;13
Speaker 1
Know, what they should do, you know what they should do. If they're if they're focusing on audio, they should bring in a Jeep Patriot into the game and just have insane fan belt squeal.
00;22;42;17 - 00;22;48;25
Speaker 3
Every time you try to corner. Yeah, yeah, that'd be terrible. That's squeak horn.
00;22;48;25 - 00;22;51;09
Speaker 2
Like the start line was like counting down.
00;22;51;09 - 00;22;53;18
Speaker 3
3 to 2 in racing.
00;22;53;22 - 00;22;54;14
Speaker 1
And squeal.
00;22;55;13 - 00;22;57;19
Speaker 3
Yeah, that'd be nice. Anyways you go.
00;22;57;19 - 00;23;07;21
Speaker 1
To you got to pull up to the start line and your c63 AMG Black and then you have a Rodney Mark and it's just you're sitting there and you're like, Oh, I don't know if I can complete a lap in this sofa.
00;23;08;05 - 00;23;09;10
Speaker 2
I'm trying to talk.
00;23;10;11 - 00;23;12;12
Speaker 1
I don't want to hear. I'm trying to call out your own car.
00;23;12;12 - 00;23;16;13
Speaker 2
I know. I'm trying to avoid that. So listen, I use five w 40. I'm fine.
00;23;16;26 - 00;23;20;01
Speaker 3
To listen. Tunnel audio is supposed to be better.
00;23;20;20 - 00;23;28;10
Speaker 2
That is something that they've said because I guess it's true. Like it was never really guttural. It was never really like that much of a bass to it.
00;23;28;14 - 00;23;28;25
Speaker 1
No.
00;23;28;25 - 00;23;29;27
Speaker 2
When you were in a tunnel.
00;23;30;06 - 00;23;59;02
Speaker 1
So you know what games and this is the thing that boggles my mind. The games that had the best tunnel sounds was Horizon one and Horizon two rising one. Very good Horizon one and Rising two were very good. If you had a car that had deep bass, like a muscle car or a German car with a V8, like a C63, or even even an Audi or a BMW or something with a V8 or, you know, something with a deep bass and you drive through tunnel at lower RPMs.
00;23;59;25 - 00;24;24;03
Speaker 1
If you have either headphones on or if you have your TV speakers all the way up, you hear it and it makes a huge difference in motorsport. Seven If you drive, you know, a charger, Daytona or whatever it is, you know, muscle car that you want through the Bernese Alps because the Bernese Alps has that very distinct tunnel that everyone knows that you go through.
00;24;24;06 - 00;24;24;27
Speaker 2
Mm. Yeah.
00;24;25;10 - 00;24;37;12
Speaker 1
It doesn't or, or even Rio it doesn't make a difference in the sound. There's a slight difference like a very slight and sounds like in the way I kind of think I'm going through a tunnel and then you're out of the tunnel. You're like, Oh, maybe not. Yeah.
00;24;37;13 - 00;24;39;28
Speaker 2
To me, it almost sounds like a delay. It's just weird. Yeah.
00;24;39;28 - 00;24;43;21
Speaker 1
So then I'm looking forward to. I'm excited for that. If, if.
00;24;43;21 - 00;24;44;03
Speaker 3
It's C.
00;24;44;03 - 00;24;52;19
Speaker 1
Right. We'll see. We don't know if it's to the do if it's to the degree of of horizon. One horizon to that'll be exciting.
00;24;52;28 - 00;24;55;14
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like that's, that's the whole kind of thing with that.
00;24;55;21 - 00;24;56;15
Speaker 1
I'm looking forward to.
00;24;56;16 - 00;25;07;20
Speaker 2
See. Another thing that we'll see is dirt and wear should accurately collect on the car. And Eric, as far as pattern and whatnot. Mm hmm. Sounds nice.
00;25;08;01 - 00;25;08;23
Speaker 3
Should be nice.
00;25;08;28 - 00;25;13;03
Speaker 1
I'm excited. I'm well. Okay. I don't want to say I'm excited. I'm curious.
00;25;13;03 - 00;25;14;00
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's I'm.
00;25;14;00 - 00;25;45;25
Speaker 1
Very curious to see how that will play out because if it accurately wears to the vehicle itself, like if you get a vehicle like the Brabham Bt62 or like a Lamborghini or a Ferrari or anything with some, you know, crazy, insane curves depending on how that affects the dirt and wear and you know, the tire bits that come off of it that could come out to show some very good pictures.
00;25;46;03 - 00;25;57;14
Speaker 2
It says that it's supposed to collect based on the airflow of the car. So however, the model that and then the pressure that each car generates so along the sides and whatnot, different pressure areas.
00;25;57;20 - 00;25;58;29
Speaker 3
I'm excited, should give it.
00;25;58;29 - 00;26;00;29
Speaker 2
Accurate battle scars too. I must say.
00;26;01;00 - 00;26;02;05
Speaker 1
It'll be cool. That'll be cool.
00;26;02;10 - 00;26;21;09
Speaker 2
Yeah. So we'll see. Like I know the rate away from looking at it. The damage model still sucks. I understand. And for those listening at home, the reason the damage is always sucked in for us is because the manufacturers don't like it. They don't like when the bumpers and all this stuff gets ripped off. So yeah, really. And that's fair.
00;26;21;09 - 00;26;29;15
Speaker 3
So like if you look at and wish they, they'd remind people more. Yeah, yeah. I feel like you could even now, you could still do more with the.
00;26;29;15 - 00;26;35;15
Speaker 2
Way the damages and it just looks a little nicer, at least scratches. There's just a lot of different ways you can go with it.
00;26;35;15 - 00;26;44;12
Speaker 3
Whatever. Yeah, the dirt and whatnot. I feel like that's only really useful for pictures. One of those things I'm curious will see it starts to fall apart for me.
00;26;44;12 - 00;26;47;10
Speaker 2
A bit though. I got to be honest, like a lot of these claims.
00;26;47;10 - 00;26;55;24
Speaker 3
There wasn't really a lot said in this. It was a lot of like, here's some more tidbits, but that's I o gameplay. It's like there's no understanding of what the.
00;26;55;24 - 00;26;59;13
Speaker 2
Game modes are like and what the flow is for the average player.
00;26;59;24 - 00;27;00;09
Speaker 3
I think.
00;27;00;09 - 00;27;01;09
Speaker 1
Rear mode, the.
00;27;01;09 - 00;27;14;07
Speaker 3
Career mode, yeah, that's a huge thing. Do you we keep talking about it. We've been talking about it for years. Why the hell am I playing this game? It's a big problem with Horizon and for motorsport. As somebody with a four as a page.
00;27;14;07 - 00;27;15;09
Speaker 2
And a for as a podcast.
00;27;15;21 - 00;27;19;20
Speaker 3
I never really officially bought seven. No, I didn't buy it.
00;27;19;20 - 00;27;20;21
Speaker 2
I got it from you.
00;27;20;23 - 00;27;21;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. And I think I got it for.
00;27;21;22 - 00;27;25;00
Speaker 2
Free on the store or something like that. I've got an electronic copy, but like.
00;27;25;29 - 00;27;29;23
Speaker 3
I, I waited like I was up. So you did five and six?
00;27;29;23 - 00;27;40;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, five and six. I remember you buying the limited edition of five. I think you bought the limited edition of six. Yeah. I was an absolute schmutz and ended up buying the six.
00;27;40;26 - 00;27;42;10
Speaker 3
They didn't have eliminated the six.
00;27;42;10 - 00;27;49;04
Speaker 1
They didn't, but they had the limited edition console like the fours edition contract and that's what I ended up buying.
00;27;49;04 - 00;27;55;26
Speaker 2
Yeah. I should got one of those, one of the things I didn't like and I didn't like it at all and it gave me this really bad feeling.
00;27;55;26 - 00;27;56;07
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;27;56;22 - 00;27;59;20
Speaker 3
Is the physics advancements okay?
00;27;59;27 - 00;28;11;25
Speaker 2
There claimed to be a big statement there. Like the physics advancements are better than force of motorsport. Five, six and seven combined. And that's the end of the statement.
00;28;12;03 - 00;28;28;13
Speaker 3
How the fuck do you measure that honestly? How do you measure that? The physics advancements and then compare them between multiple games over a what, like a ten year period? Basically. And then you have the audacity.
00;28;28;13 - 00;28;29;23
Speaker 2
To be like, Oh yeah, it's burning.
00;28;29;23 - 00;28;35;12
Speaker 3
But according to what you write. So now you start thinking, okay, well it's like, Oh, this is.
00;28;35;12 - 00;28;40;25
Speaker 2
Supposedly like the best, most detailed thing. And there's like, oh, the tracks have ten times more detail.
00;28;40;25 - 00;28;43;29
Speaker 3
And it's like, you know what, God dammit, I really hope this.
00;28;43;29 - 00;28;51;08
Speaker 2
Isn't a bunch of, like, false promises. Again, with the sound upgrades, how long have we been hearing that? Sound upgrades, for fuck's sake. It's like.
00;28;51;08 - 00;28;55;20
Speaker 3
15 years. And then you've got all these different things that track.
00;28;55;20 - 00;28;59;15
Speaker 2
Listen and then the cars and the dynamic weather and this and that. Like, it's just.
00;29;00;20 - 00;29;01;28
Speaker 3
I just hope.
00;29;02;10 - 00;29;03;26
Speaker 2
It's not a bunch of nonsense.
00;29;04;05 - 00;29;05;03
Speaker 3
Like, that was a statement.
00;29;05;03 - 00;29;22;08
Speaker 2
That really stuck out to me where it's just like, this is a buzzword garbage statement and it goes back to what we've been saying are like, okay, well, what team is actually working on this, right? And I start to worry and I get back into that rut that we have every show where it's negative and let's be honest, every single show we find something negative.
00;29;22;08 - 00;29;31;23
Speaker 3
To say because it usually ends up that way. That's the trend. Everything they do, it's always like, great idea but rubbish. Yeah. Every time.
00;29;31;26 - 00;29;39;28
Speaker 1
It's, it's to the point where the community itself has been around long enough that the.
00;29;40;00 - 00;29;41;23
Speaker 3
Creators see through it. MAN Yeah.
00;29;42;00 - 00;30;00;18
Speaker 1
The creators and the developers have so much of a base to go off of and people to reference and creators to talk to and all of this stuff to say, Hey, you know, what are what are your favorite parts of the game? What are your least favorite parts of the game? Because your favorite parts of the game, we're going to keep them in.
00;30;00;24 - 00;30;16;06
Speaker 1
That's something we're going to work on. That's something we're going to keep improving. But your least favorite parts of the game, that's something that we're going to take a focus in. What are your least favorite parts of the game? What do you like? What do you not like? Because if you don't like the way cars sound, cool, we're going to focus on that.
00;30;16;13 - 00;30;46;26
Speaker 1
If you don't like the way that the cars handle based on the weather or based on the tire wear, based on whatever, that's something we're we're going to focus on. But I've never had a complaint with motorsport where it's like, oh, I don't like the way this, you know, formula drift Mustang slides around because it feels slightly inaccurate because I've obviously driven the von getting JR drift formula formula drift mustang mustang around the Bernese Alps which is a false track that doesn't actually exist.
00;30;46;26 - 00;31;08;08
Speaker 1
So I know exactly how it should handle and however it doesn't handle like it should handle around this false track that it's it doesn't make sense. So it's it's to the point where we don't like, like we've said in pretty much every single other podcast, we don't want to complain about this because we love this game so much.
00;31;09;05 - 00;31;42;27
Speaker 1
This this game is the whole reason why Jason and I are sitting in the same room together. This game is the reason why this podcast exists. It's why this page exists. It's why we have, you know, such a connection to cars, especially nowadays, is because of this game. But it's frustrating to see and hear from the community. From our perspective for you know, two people who have been running this page for almost ten years to have people comment and message us and say, hey, you know, we want to see these cars.
00;31;42;27 - 00;32;18;08
Speaker 1
We want to see these changes. We want to see, you know, this happen to the game. And we don't want to see this happen to game to the game. You know, this is something that we absolutely love. This is something that we want to see different. And to have that basically completely ignored by the devs and the creators is is heartbreaking to us because we have such this, this, this connection to this game and seeing all these notes and patch notes and release notes for whatever it's like, ooh, we made the vegetation better.
00;32;19;21 - 00;32;24;19
Speaker 1
Cool. I've never heard anyone say, Oh man, I wish the grass looked more realistic.
00;32;24;19 - 00;32;25;12
Speaker 3
Oh, it's just.
00;32;25;12 - 00;32;31;15
Speaker 2
Like, I get it. It's like, you know, I put it in the same category with, with the dirt and all that in the car. Yeah. Like for.
00;32;31;15 - 00;32;36;29
Speaker 3
Photo mode. Yeah. It'll be good. It's just, it's, it's not a reason I'm going to be.
00;32;36;29 - 00;32;44;15
Speaker 2
Sitting on my couch after three beers and be like, Oh, fuck, you know, I'd love to play for us right now because the vegetation.
00;32;45;20 - 00;32;48;27
Speaker 3
Here, I mean, that's the whole damn thing.
00;32;49;09 - 00;32;51;16
Speaker 1
But we wear on this car for like saying.
00;32;51;16 - 00;33;10;16
Speaker 3
It for how long? Just all you got to do is figure out a way to get people to keep playing, right? Yeah. It's not with dirt and it's not with vegetation, and it's not with 15,000 models of of people in the stands, because that's what it is, apparently 15,000 individual people. It's ridiculous, man. Like, I feel like all these different.
00;33;10;16 - 00;33;13;00
Speaker 2
Changes and you're right, after all this time.
00;33;13;29 - 00;33;15;02
Speaker 3
I don't necessarily.
00;33;15;02 - 00;33;21;22
Speaker 2
Know if it's like ignoring the community. I think it's more just like truly not understanding why the hell people play the game.
00;33;22;07 - 00;33;24;08
Speaker 3
It's like how many focus.
00;33;24;08 - 00;33;27;24
Speaker 2
Groups you need to have to realize why people play.
00;33;28;28 - 00;33;29;18
Speaker 3
And I get it's at.
00;33;29;18 - 00;33;55;13
Speaker 2
The end of the day, it's all about sales and whatnot. It's just it's not how you build a sustainable brand. And I kind of worry about it, especially as a reboot if this is this is your approach. So interestingly, I have sort of a car like a car modeling kind of question. Yep. Or a thing for you. I got an image here of an image of some sort of Mercedes that I forget the name of one of the old classics, and it's got three games on it.
00;33;55;15 - 00;33;56;08
Speaker 1
What am I missing?
00;33;56;10 - 00;34;11;11
Speaker 2
Okay. Well, I'm going to show you quickly. Okay. Okay. Yep. I'm going to show Erin this image quickly. Yeah. And it's between three of these different games. Okay. And I want you to tell me which one you think the newest one is from. Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah, right here. You got 2 seconds.
00;34;11;12 - 00;34;19;00
Speaker 1
Okay. Oh, I'm going to say the top one. One top one is the newest one.
00;34;19;29 - 00;34;23;01
Speaker 2
Okay. So there's three images.
00;34;23;09 - 00;34;32;19
Speaker 1
So the car that the car that he showed me was the Mercedes Benz 190 Um, evolution 16 would.
00;34;32;19 - 00;34;34;02
Speaker 2
You say the old ever was.
00;34;34;12 - 00;34;38;04
Speaker 1
The oldest one looked like the bottom of it. The bottom or the bottom.
00;34;38;04 - 00;34;39;07
Speaker 2
You're not pulling my leg? No.
00;34;39;10 - 00;34;42;28
Speaker 1
The bottom one looked like the oldest. The new one. The newest one looked like.
00;34;42;28 - 00;34;45;28
Speaker 2
Like like dead two. Right, Erin? Okay. Yeah. You're not joking?
00;34;45;28 - 00;34;46;07
Speaker 1
No.
00;34;46;20 - 00;34;49;09
Speaker 2
The bottom one is the newest game for you.
00;34;49;09 - 00;34;49;27
Speaker 1
Serious?
00;34;50;16 - 00;34;51;22
Speaker 2
And the top one.
00;34;52;07 - 00;34;54;19
Speaker 3
Is for some motorsport for.
00;34;55;15 - 00;34;56;21
Speaker 1
No way. Show me that in.
00;34;56;21 - 00;34;57;05
Speaker 3
Your skin.
00;34;58;06 - 00;34;58;29
Speaker 2
Or what is that a ten.
00;34;59;04 - 00;35;02;19
Speaker 1
What? 12. What the actual hell?
00;35;03;00 - 00;35;04;10
Speaker 3
I did the same thing.
00;35;04;10 - 00;35;15;11
Speaker 2
When I just looked at it, I thought, wow, sure. The top one was the newest game and that is in an old, old game. Wow. 360.
00;35;15;11 - 00;35;17;26
Speaker 3
And it still looks better. The headlights still look more like.
00;35;17;26 - 00;35;22;01
Speaker 1
The head looks. Look what the what I.
00;35;22;20 - 00;35;25;04
Speaker 2
I'm watching my brain melt right now.
00;35;26;19 - 00;35;33;05
Speaker 3
But it doesn't make any sense that doesn't the lighting. Yeah, I guess it definitely looks better but even. Okay.
00;35;33;16 - 00;35;58;08
Speaker 1
But that's but that's the thing. If, if you take if you take a look if you if you take a look if you take a glance at it, the top one looks the best. And I think this is an image that we need to post. So please, please get this posted. It's it's the fact that the headlights and the grille and like, the headlights and the grille are what caught my eye first.
00;35;59;10 - 00;36;16;23
Speaker 1
But the more you look at it. Yeah. Okay. You have a little bit more of a reflection in the, the visor of the racing helmet. You get more of a reflection along the side of the paint. The wheel looks a little bit more accurate when you see the reflection off of the inside of the the wheel arch.
00;36;18;05 - 00;36;19;26
Speaker 2
This looks like a real picture for some reason.
00;36;19;26 - 00;36;20;21
Speaker 1
The top one does.
00;36;20;21 - 00;36;22;02
Speaker 3
It's weird. It looks.
00;36;22;06 - 00;36;22;18
Speaker 2
Weird.
00;36;22;18 - 00;36;35;05
Speaker 1
I saw that and I was like, the top one's the newest. The bottom one's the oldest because the headlights look like I'm sorry, I got to see it. The headlights in this picture look like absolute shit.
00;36;35;16 - 00;36;35;25
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;36;36;15 - 00;36;37;25
Speaker 1
Absolute shit. Yeah.
00;36;37;25 - 00;36;38;08
Speaker 2
They don't look.
00;36;38;08 - 00;36;46;06
Speaker 1
Good. I cannot believe that Forza Motorsport four in this image itself is 12 years old.
00;36;46;28 - 00;37;01;25
Speaker 2
And you got to remember, that's running on a so that the one that they're comparing the most recent game that would be the newest one running on a on Mac settings on a PC and it still doesn't look as good as a 360. And this is not me being biased and like legit. That was a real reaction you got from Aaron.
00;37;02;21 - 00;37;06;22
Speaker 2
I'm really happy you said that because I thought the same thing. It's my I don't.
00;37;06;22 - 00;37;07;02
Speaker 1
Know what you're.
00;37;07;02 - 00;37;07;14
Speaker 3
Saying.
00;37;07;14 - 00;37;09;00
Speaker 2
It should never.
00;37;09;02 - 00;37;17;06
Speaker 1
Happen. It should never be like that. I should have you should have shown me these pictures and I should have been like, oh, my God, the bottom one. Like, that's a real picture that you just.
00;37;17;06 - 00;37;17;16
Speaker 3
Showed me.
00;37;17;21 - 00;37;22;25
Speaker 2
Between seven and the newest one or eight or whatever you want to call it. It's like, okay, you know, maybe get those two mixed up.
00;37;22;25 - 00;37;36;03
Speaker 1
But yeah, if you look if you look really close, like if you look really close in certain aspects, I mean, the headlights are a dead giveaway. The headlights is just it doesn't make any sense to me.
00;37;36;03 - 00;37;37;16
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's way, way more detail.
00;37;37;18 - 00;37;48;03
Speaker 1
It's way more detail. The headlights look like photorealistic pictures in the top one, but the rest of it, it's just the closer you look. Yeah, the more it makes sense.
00;37;48;03 - 00;37;48;27
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know.
00;37;49;05 - 00;37;50;28
Speaker 3
So I. Wow.
00;37;51;00 - 00;37;52;22
Speaker 1
Okay. I don't know.
00;37;52;22 - 00;38;16;28
Speaker 2
I've got, I've got some reservations. It's just the amount of times I've heard all this crap from Forza of like, oh, this is our best, biggest and most immersive game. And it, it's just been flop after flop. And like, you're doing this reboot and you're still not getting stuff right. And that was just a fucking terrible promo for Wednesday, which was yesterday.
00;38;16;28 - 00;38;33;27
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like nobody knew this event was happening. It was hardly a trailer. It was a six minute tidbit of, like, little pieces of information. There's still no information on the game. And stuff like that. I'm going to read aloud some comments right now because I actually do have some interesting stuff I want to touch on. You received that image because we are going to post that.
00;38;35;15 - 00;38;41;13
Speaker 2
Okay. So listen to this. Right. We posted all of this stuff today. Almost no positive feedback.
00;38;41;20 - 00;38;42;00
Speaker 1
No.
00;38;42;07 - 00;39;00;12
Speaker 2
From complaints that it's going to be pushed back till the fall, which is like whatever. Yeah. To complaints about the actual game to just honestly not a ton of engagement on this. We got a lot of engagement on the announcement that this is going to be coming on Wednesday. Yeah, a lot of engagement. A lot of people very properly fired up for this job.
00;39;00;12 - 00;39;01;12
Speaker 2
The news, nobody cares.
00;39;01;24 - 00;39;03;11
Speaker 1
So surprise, surprise.
00;39;03;20 - 00;39;09;15
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, everybody saying, what the hell happened to spring 2023? I'm going to read out some comments here.
00;39;11;29 - 00;39;25;26
Speaker 2
Hope to fucking rights that Mid-Ohio was in the game I believe it is so um. Disappointed the whole last two days. Extremely lacking embarrassing the series can't go on much longer ruined. I don't know about that.
00;39;26;19 - 00;39;32;05
Speaker 1
Maybe I don't. And so I don't know about ruined. I think just more thoroughly disappointed. Yeah.
00;39;32;05 - 00;39;41;28
Speaker 2
So physics improvements are much more than five seven combined. Don't say that. Whatever. This is one of our most interesting comments. We got this an hour ago.
00;39;42;06 - 00;39;42;17
Speaker 1
Okay.
00;39;43;05 - 00;39;47;03
Speaker 2
So this is from punts to Leon with a couple of underscores mixed in there.
00;39;47;05 - 00;39;47;14
Speaker 1
Yep.
00;39;48;26 - 00;40;11;29
Speaker 2
What some players care about raytracing nonsense. Ever since Forza motorsport was released in 2005, it's still missing four pit stop animations for race regulations such as flag rules, penalties for collisions and lane cutting safety car virtual safety car, visual tire puncture for car damage with fire and smoke. Good point, actually.
00;40;12;11 - 00;40;12;22
Speaker 1
Very good.
00;40;12;22 - 00;40;19;08
Speaker 2
Point. New tracks, South American tracks, their dynamic day and weather for every track that is.
00;40;19;08 - 00;40;20;09
Speaker 1
That's very true.
00;40;20;19 - 00;40;27;03
Speaker 2
Isn't it? So that's finally in 100% realistic street racing tracks. Good point.
00;40;27;12 - 00;40;27;20
Speaker 1
It was.
00;40;27;20 - 00;40;29;03
Speaker 2
A good not a lot of street racing tracks.
00;40;29;04 - 00;40;29;14
Speaker 1
No.
00;40;29;23 - 00;40;36;07
Speaker 2
Split screen race mode with bots full avatar customization with helmet and suit painting.
00;40;36;26 - 00;40;37;25
Speaker 3
Really good fucking.
00;40;37;25 - 00;40;39;01
Speaker 1
That's a very good point.
00;40;39;12 - 00;40;41;27
Speaker 3
Why don't we have that? I know. Like.
00;40;42;12 - 00;40;50;22
Speaker 2
Okay, all right. That one's going to bug me daily races with ranked division. That's a bad idea. Actually, that's a good idea.
00;40;50;22 - 00;40;51;12
Speaker 1
I like that.
00;40;52;02 - 00;40;55;01
Speaker 2
Better. EA Sports World Championship Tournament Mode.
00;40;56;05 - 00;40;57;09
Speaker 1
One that's hundred.
00;40;57;09 - 00;40;57;28
Speaker 2
Percent.
00;40;57;29 - 00;40;59;04
Speaker 3
When that's. Oh, my God.
00;40;59;04 - 00;41;01;14
Speaker 1
What I just mentioned like what about what about sim racing?
00;41;01;22 - 00;41;02;15
Speaker 3
Dude, there's.
00;41;02;15 - 00;41;07;23
Speaker 2
No for is it infrastructure for like a league. No. And everyone's like, all racing teams are popular racing games.
00;41;07;29 - 00;41;11;27
Speaker 3
I got news for it. Forza is the most successful game.
00;41;11;28 - 00;41;13;23
Speaker 2
Xbox has ever had.
00;41;14;02 - 00;41;17;13
Speaker 3
Period during period period. It's bigger than Halo and.
00;41;17;13 - 00;41;20;16
Speaker 2
Nobody wants to admit it because people don't make money playing it.
00;41;20;20 - 00;41;25;17
Speaker 3
Because there's no locking infrastructure. Yeah, because the league format is such.
00;41;25;17 - 00;41;30;11
Speaker 2
A dog shit. The for the champion stuff, it's so bad. It doesn't make any sense.
00;41;30;11 - 00;41;31;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, it doesn't.
00;41;31;00 - 00;41;35;17
Speaker 2
It's not advertised. They don't push it, they never talk about it. It's not cool. The payouts aren't good.
00;41;35;26 - 00;41;37;08
Speaker 3
And it's a waste of everybody's time.
00;41;37;15 - 00;41;40;08
Speaker 2
So yeah, actually I 100% agree with that. The e-sports.
00;41;40;14 - 00;41;41;12
Speaker 3
World for it.
00;41;41;20 - 00;41;42;29
Speaker 1
For for gross is terrible.
00;41;43;01 - 00;41;45;04
Speaker 3
It's fucking horrible. It's terrible.
00;41;45;04 - 00;41;54;06
Speaker 2
Qualifications make no sense either. So that's terrible. Yeah. Online tournament mode with scheduled races and points table please. That sounds so.
00;41;54;06 - 00;41;56;11
Speaker 3
Good. And why is the possibility.
00;41;56;11 - 00;41;59;14
Speaker 2
Of creating tracks Blue Bloop.
00;41;59;18 - 00;42;00;22
Speaker 1
Really good? That would be well.
00;42;00;22 - 00;42;06;10
Speaker 2
Really, that's a very good point. Why not just do the Top Gear test track and then pick your colons and stuff like that?
00;42;06;11 - 00;42;08;25
Speaker 1
I know that would be or imagine.
00;42;09;02 - 00;42;13;02
Speaker 2
Full OC piece of resistance. Okay, whatever this is, I'm pinning this comment.
00;42;13;02 - 00;42;13;13
Speaker 3
Yes.
00;42;13;13 - 00;42;22;22
Speaker 1
And congratulations. You just had your comment pinned on the podcast. Yeah. What's this, guys? What's what's this guy's username.
00;42;22;29 - 00;42;27;18
Speaker 2
Pants underscored underscore Leon. But it's a zero instead of a no.
00;42;27;28 - 00;42;31;22
Speaker 1
Oh, all right. But listen to Leon, ten out of ten full.
00;42;31;22 - 00;42;40;22
Speaker 2
Career mode progression of a driver going from carts to advanced cars passing through different session seasons with car chassis evolution.
00;42;41;23 - 00;42;42;12
Speaker 3
Nailed it.
00;42;42;27 - 00;42;43;22
Speaker 1
Oh, my God.
00;42;43;23 - 00;42;45;05
Speaker 3
Nailed it. Can you.
00;42;45;05 - 00;43;03;18
Speaker 1
Okay. What you would teach? Okay, we're we're going to screenshot it. We're going to we're going to post this. And then can you reply to this comment right now and just say or wow, okay, it doesn't have to be right now, but just reply to this comment and say, check out our latest podcast. Thank you for commenting this.
00;43;03;18 - 00;43;03;29
Speaker 1
Yes.
00;43;03;29 - 00;43;04;13
Speaker 2
Okay. Done.
00;43;04;17 - 00;43;05;05
Speaker 1
Perfect.
00;43;05;05 - 00;43;09;14
Speaker 2
Done. Yeah. Incredible. Like that.
00;43;09;18 - 00;43;12;10
Speaker 1
That nailed that comment. Nailed everything.
00;43;12;10 - 00;43;17;15
Speaker 3
Everything. How fucking if you got six years I think you can do.
00;43;17;15 - 00;43;23;03
Speaker 2
Everything on there with no like the easy ones. A little tricky, but everything else is like, no problem.
00;43;23;05 - 00;43;23;13
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;43;23;26 - 00;43;25;17
Speaker 2
Like, why can't you have a flat tire?
00;43;25;21 - 00;43;29;07
Speaker 1
Yeah, like an AK. Why can't you have a flag system?
00;43;29;21 - 00;43;31;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. What the hell's the problem with that throw.
00;43;31;22 - 00;43;32;18
Speaker 2
Color on the screen?
00;43;32;19 - 00;43;35;14
Speaker 3
Yeah, big deal. Blue flag. You suck here. I mean.
00;43;36;05 - 00;43;39;11
Speaker 1
The person behind you was going a lot faster than you let them fucking pass.
00;43;39;19 - 00;43;42;03
Speaker 3
So it's like a lot of negative comments.
00;43;42;03 - 00;43;45;11
Speaker 2
A lot of people being like, okay, this is disappointing, this is lacking.
00;43;45;11 - 00;43;48;12
Speaker 3
So he could have killed off. To be fair, I did reply saying.
00;43;48;12 - 00;43;50;09
Speaker 2
If I had a peanut allergy I would eat peanuts.
00;43;50;14 - 00;43;52;17
Speaker 1
Oh no. Okay.
00;43;53;01 - 00;43;59;10
Speaker 3
So anyways, it's it's it's a good comment. Is it a good comment. It's just like I guess this.
00;43;59;10 - 00;44;13;01
Speaker 2
Is my overall point. Yeah. For to wrap up the motorsport stuff and kind of how underwhelming this has been, the promotion of the video and this trailer that they had, which wasn't really a trailer and it just it was really boring too as an exciting.
00;44;13;09 - 00;44;13;21
Speaker 1
Yeah, but.
00;44;14;25 - 00;44;17;05
Speaker 2
If I was going to wrap this up, it it's just.
00;44;17;05 - 00;44;21;02
Speaker 3
They still don't get it, man. They still don't understand that.
00;44;21;11 - 00;44;27;10
Speaker 2
Okay, you can talk about raytracing. You can talk about lighting, you can try, you can talk about dynamic weather and all these different things.
00;44;27;10 - 00;44;34;27
Speaker 3
And all the vegetation of these things actually keep people playing. The longevity of this game.
00;44;35;04 - 00;45;00;08
Speaker 2
Has nothing to do with any of these things that you've talked about. No. And somebody did comment this and it's a very, very good point. It is a bit concerning that this is all they have to say and talk about. Yeah. All this time. Yeah. You should have so much stuff to talk about. You don't. I mean, I'm not saying you got to give away the whole game right now, but like, that's a bit concerning.
00;45;00;19 - 00;45;05;22
Speaker 2
Yeah, right. That's it. That's that's that's all got is, is just refining it that way.
00;45;05;23 - 00;45;15;26
Speaker 1
I'm sorry. If you want to, if you want to talk about longevity when it comes to something like this, saying, hey, listen, we're going to have over 400 career events.
00;45;16;20 - 00;45;19;10
Speaker 3
Teaser like I'm not saying you've got to show it like you.
00;45;19;10 - 00;45;24;22
Speaker 2
Know what I mean? But just talk about, okay, well this is the game name of the game modes. We'll explain that later.
00;45;24;23 - 00;45;32;28
Speaker 3
Right. Like it doesn't keep people playing like the bottom line. These idiots still don't understand that I will forget about I.
00;45;32;28 - 00;45;43;13
Speaker 2
I guarantee you, Aaron, I will forget about Ray tracing so fast. Yeah. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. Don't care. Yeah. Just make a fun game that I want to play.
00;45;43;19 - 00;45;44;18
Speaker 3
Make the graphics look.
00;45;44;18 - 00;45;46;29
Speaker 2
Exactly the same as for Forza too.
00;45;47;13 - 00;45;52;26
Speaker 3
Right? Sure. Fine. Yeah, that was a fun game, dude. Yeah, I. Right now, I would.
00;45;52;26 - 00;46;03;18
Speaker 2
Rather play that over seven. Yeah, right. Maybe six was actually a low key, really sneaky good game, but it still doesn't keep me coming back that much. And even besides a point.
00;46;03;27 - 00;46;06;10
Speaker 1
Even even even motorsport for.
00;46;06;20 - 00;46;07;24
Speaker 2
Like four is the ultimate.
00;46;08;01 - 00;46;28;28
Speaker 1
It four. Four is the ultimate. And it's frustrating because you look at the you look at the trailer for four and you just you get that shiver, you get, you know, Kanye West. Kanye West comes in and you see all the all the cinematic shots. And you get that shiver and shiver and you're like, Oh, you know what.
00;46;28;28 - 00;46;31;03
Speaker 3
Simple it is? It's simple.
00;46;31;03 - 00;46;42;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's a good song it's some good cuts, right? Like, yeah, it's just it's cool cars, it's cool tracks. It's, it's not pretending to be anything that it isn't. Yeah, it's not, you know what I mean.
00;46;43;11 - 00;46;45;13
Speaker 3
And you know, and like it is these like it was.
00;46;45;13 - 00;46;49;24
Speaker 2
Just quick cuts of videos. Yeah. It wasn't insane animations. There wasn't.
00;46;50;04 - 00;47;28;05
Speaker 1
You know, there wasn't anything crazy. It wasn't, anything like that. It was just it was, it was highlighting what the game was about and that was it. And when it came to the advancements that horizon or not Horizon Motorsport four made in stuff like that, it talked about the multiplayer multiplayer races and it talked about Kinect and those are the two things that I remember the most about that trailer, I guarantee you, and I think this is one of the reasons why they never made motorsport four backwards compatible, is because they knew for a fact it wouldn't compete with what they are making today.
00;47;29;00 - 00;47;29;23
Speaker 2
You mean it would.
00;47;30;04 - 00;47;40;08
Speaker 1
It wouldn't. It would it would not compete with what they are making today. It would be far better. People would not be playing the modern Forza games and they would only be playing Oh.
00;47;40;08 - 00;47;41;27
Speaker 3
Yeah, it would be. It'd be a problem though.
00;47;42;14 - 00;47;56;05
Speaker 1
And that's that's what I mean. It's like if, if they made it backwards compatible, people wouldn't think of buying the new motorsport game. They would just be playing, playing motorsport for it because it's so much better.
00;47;56;06 - 00;48;11;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. As an old school thing. Yeah, I got. You mean it's why. It's why Nintendo hesitated for years, I think. Right? Because sort of their old stuff so good. Yeah. That's why they haven't really done a lot of the Pokémon stuff backwards compatible because it's so good and that's all like, that's all I would play is. Emerald Yeah.
00;48;11;04 - 00;48;17;20
Speaker 2
Right. So yeah, I just to go back to it, man, and to, to wrap that section.
00;48;17;20 - 00;48;18;26
Speaker 1
Wrap the motorsport stuff up.
00;48;18;26 - 00;48;40;14
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's just I really get the feeling they still don't understand who the hell is playing this game. Yeah. And what actually matters to us. And it's we just want a fun game, and that's it. I don't care how good it looks. Honestly, I really could care less if it looks the exact same as seven.
00;48;40;14 - 00;48;52;28
Speaker 1
Yeah. If you're going to make something that's going to be out for the next six years and you're not going to release something, let us enjoy it for that for six years.
00;48;53;25 - 00;48;56;21
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things, man.
00;48;56;21 - 00;48;57;02
Speaker 2
It's just.
00;48;57;09 - 00;49;02;22
Speaker 1
I don't want to grow tired of it. No, I've grown tired of motorsport seven oh long ago.
00;49;02;23 - 00;49;25;04
Speaker 2
You can't even fucking by the game. No. So it's just. I don't know. It's just considering the wait. It wasn't a significant launch. It's just been kind of like dropped every once in a while. I was like, Oh yeah, by the way, here's some more info. Kind of like whatever. It's just I just get a feeling that if this is all you got after all this and that's your trailer after all of this.
00;49;25;07 - 00;49;34;08
Speaker 2
Yeah, this is going to be a stinker of a game. Yeah, because it sounds good. All the advancement sounds good. It's just like this has the same problems.
00;49;34;13 - 00;49;35;26
Speaker 1
Anyway, we beat in the bush.
00;49;36;16 - 00;49;39;01
Speaker 3
Yes, I think you get our.
00;49;39;09 - 00;49;42;05
Speaker 1
You get the point. Well, I get the drift. Funny.
00;49;42;12 - 00;49;46;18
Speaker 3
Ha ha ha fucking Jesus. But I legit like.
00;49;46;18 - 00;49;48;29
Speaker 2
I think that's, that's enough for motorsport.
00;49;49;09 - 00;49;52;02
Speaker 3
We'll see. Right. There's plenty of time. There is.
00;49;52;04 - 00;49;56;06
Speaker 2
When the hell they get this game actually comes out when we actually get some real information.
00;49;56;06 - 00;49;56;29
Speaker 1
Here, it's still.
00;49;56;29 - 00;50;13;12
Speaker 2
January. I mean, we're getting a recycled hide. We're getting recycled gameplay. Like, we still really don't have a ton of pictures. I know. Fine. What I will say, it's a transition. Here is the horizon stuff. There's a bit of horizon news. Can you summarize this in a minute?
00;50;13;29 - 00;50;15;14
Speaker 1
The Horizon news, yes. Okay.
00;50;15;24 - 00;50;18;04
Speaker 3
So because it really isn't.
00;50;18;04 - 00;50;19;02
Speaker 2
Anything, that's for sure.
00;50;19;03 - 00;50;20;02
Speaker 1
It's nothing crazy.
00;50;20;02 - 00;50;23;18
Speaker 2
Breaking. We should talk about it. We spend a lot of time on motorsport. Yeah.
00;50;23;19 - 00;50;35;23
Speaker 1
So let's let's get to out. I'm going to condense the Forza horizon stuff. So the Forza Horizon update is going to be coming out in five, six days from now. I can't do mass whatever.
00;50;35;23 - 00;50;36;28
Speaker 2
In a week from recording.
00;50;37;10 - 00;50;57;05
Speaker 1
February, February 2nd. It's a week from when we're recording this. So depending on when this comes out, it's going to be February 2nd when this update drops, it's going to be there Japanese stuff. There's going to be the Nissan 400 Z or 400 Z for the the plebs who don't know how to pronounce the correct letter of the alphabet.
00;50;58;27 - 00;51;14;24
Speaker 1
It's something that Jason and I were having a conversation of. This should have been out a long time ago. This should have been out when the vehicle was released. It should have been a car that was released into the game as soon as the vehicle itself was released to the public. This is something that keeps the longevity of the game going.
00;51;14;24 - 00;51;37;01
Speaker 1
This this is something that keeps the excitement of new vehicles into the game. This is something that a lot of people have been looking forward to. We've been asking for it. It's finally here and that's about it. You know, congratulations. You put a new, new two forms of vehicle in there. The only other new to for the vehicle game is a Toyota.
00;51;37;04 - 00;52;01;10
Speaker 1
I think Toyota from 1965. It is the Toyota sport 800. It's a little tiny two door coupe thing that's going to have 87 horsepower. And guess what? It's going to be a D class vehicle. You're going to get it. You're going to drive it twice, maybe, and then you're going to forget about it and think, okay, great, I'm going to move on to the Nissan.
00;52;01;10 - 00;52;29;05
Speaker 1
There are two recycled vehicles that are coming back. There's the I think the 1992 Toyota mr2 Turbo. I'm quite excited for that because that was a car that I very much enjoyed in Horizon four. But other than that, yeah, I don't think it's a car that I'm going to be using and races. I think it's just going to be a car that I'm going to, you know, throw some nice wheels on and a nice paint job on, drive around, find some looking for groups and join some meets.
00;52;29;05 - 00;52;50;10
Speaker 1
And that's about it. The Mitsubishi Galant VR four is coming back again. That's a recycled vehicle. That one was a I don't know, it was an enjoyable rally car, but there were so many other good rally cars from the nineties that were better than that car.
00;52;50;10 - 00;52;51;16
Speaker 2
This is a long minute.
00;52;52;13 - 00;53;08;19
Speaker 1
And that was about it. I that's it. There's okay. There's two new vehicles coming. There's two recycled vehicles coming. It's the same shit. You got to do some events. You unlock the cars. Congratulations. You got new cars. You got old cars. Welcome to Horizon five. What else do you expect?
00;53;08;19 - 00;53;17;25
Speaker 2
Okay, perfect. That's basically I was summarize. This is it's just kind of a delay on that Nissan. Yep. Everything else really doesn't matter.
00;53;17;25 - 00;53;18;04
Speaker 1
No.
00;53;18;15 - 00;53;26;16
Speaker 2
It's kind of overhyped. You just put Japanese in front of the title and then everybody's like, Oh, all the all the tuners get all hyped.
00;53;26;16 - 00;53;28;13
Speaker 1
Up, the tuners get excited for recycled.
00;53;28;13 - 00;53;29;29
Speaker 3
Shit. Yeah. Like, I kind.
00;53;29;29 - 00;53;43;17
Speaker 2
Of thought this was like a bigger event in like, God damn, I'm kind of missing out on something here. Like, this is pretty crazy. And then I did a little bit more research and I was like, I don't really think this is much, so no. Anyways, all right. So that's good to know. Yeah. Um.
00;53;44;20 - 00;53;47;21
Speaker 3
I mean, we got a little.
00;53;48;03 - 00;53;50;25
Speaker 2
Topic to discuss here and it's something I got to get off my chest.
00;53;50;27 - 00;53;51;08
Speaker 1
Okay?
00;53;52;11 - 00;53;56;28
Speaker 2
I mean, I got some complaints about what this is a very specific one.
00;53;56;28 - 00;53;59;10
Speaker 1
Oh we're are we cue in the music.
00;53;59;16 - 00;54;00;19
Speaker 3
Yeah, I can hear it.
00;54;00;26 - 00;54;08;22
Speaker 2
It plays in my head all the time. Yep. I mean I've been having just a heck of an experience at some fast food joints recently.
00;54;08;24 - 00;54;19;27
Speaker 1
See this? I'm so excited for this because, you know, we just we just went through a bunch of complaints about about the new motorsport game I wrote. Horizon was like, okay, complaint corner, cue the music.
00;54;20;08 - 00;54;23;06
Speaker 3
Go. I'm hungry. You're on The Late Show tonight. We're doing a three.
00;54;23;06 - 00;54;27;18
Speaker 1
You mean there's there's a 1.3 kilogram bag of pistachios. Listen to you.
00;54;27;18 - 00;54;31;07
Speaker 3
Okay? It is 308 in the morning. This is serious. I am hungry.
00;54;31;07 - 00;54;34;13
Speaker 1
Holy shit. I work tomorrow. Okay? I work today.
00;54;34;13 - 00;55;03;12
Speaker 3
I don't care. I'm hungry and I'm going to go through a drive thru later and I already know what's going to happen. I'm going to go to some decrepit piece of crap place. I'm going to get terrible service and it's going to be food that's just assembled by complete idiots, people who should be in a Buick plant. Because it seems like every time I go get a burrito specifically, it's all, it's all it's all beans, the whole thing.
00;55;03;26 - 00;55;17;02
Speaker 3
It's just all the ratios are off every time. Like breed is a perfect example because I get like a little bit of rice and the rest is just canned beans and there's like a small amount. It's just, you know, so.
00;55;17;02 - 00;55;21;01
Speaker 1
What do you do? You get the refried beans or do you get the black beans?
00;55;22;10 - 00;55;26;22
Speaker 3
Hang on there. Black beans. Okay. Black beans, for sure. Okay. Ways, it's the.
00;55;26;22 - 00;55;27;19
Speaker 1
Only correct answer.
00;55;27;19 - 00;55;38;15
Speaker 3
But I mean, you get just this, like, tiny amount of meat and then you go somewhere else and it's like tomatoes. But then the tomato and the cheese is touching. I want that and I want the cheese too. Any anything to do with it. I don't want to.
00;55;38;15 - 00;55;39;12
Speaker 1
Be touching it to me.
00;55;39;12 - 00;55;53;05
Speaker 3
No, I don't want it just looks like it's been taking a soak in it for like 45 minutes. It's disgusting to look at. I don't know. I got some guy who doesn't understand the ratio between Pico de Gallo and guacamole and corn.
00;55;53;08 - 00;55;55;11
Speaker 2
I get this mango salsa really good on my burrito.
00;55;55;11 - 00;55;57;29
Speaker 1
Too often times I will second opinion.
00;55;57;29 - 00;56;16;16
Speaker 3
That's not enough. And then I want hot sauce on it. And then the guy doesn't understand how much hot sauce I want it, which is a lot. And guess said that. Oh my god dude. And then you end up paying like 16 bucks Canadian for some piece of garbage and it's like, oh, like, I mean, I'll eat it, but just I'm not happy about it.
00;56;17;16 - 00;56;19;11
Speaker 1
But I want to enjoy it, but like.
00;56;19;24 - 00;56;32;24
Speaker 3
Oh, you do that. And then you go to McDonald's and they always screw it up. There's no point going to McDonald's. You go to Wendy's then that's disgustingly greasy, but then you want to go to N.W. and then that's like 15 bucks. It's like, why as well got a burrito? And then you got to get the burrito and then the guy puts too much.
00;56;32;25 - 00;56;34;18
Speaker 1
Beans, you know, it's hilarious.
00;56;34;18 - 00;56;55;29
Speaker 3
And it's just this vicious cycle of nobody knows how the hell they make any kind of food. It's ridiculous. I don't understand why every single fast food place you go to, it's like a person has never had that specific, you know, kind of food. You go to McDonald's, whoever made your hamburger has never eaten a hamburger in their entire life and doesn't understand what extra pickles is.
00;56;56;07 - 00;57;02;09
Speaker 3
So the concept forms like three. It's like, no, anything more than three. Anything more than three is they want to put it stop.
00;57;02;09 - 00;57;03;29
Speaker 1
You want to put six on my burger? Cool.
00;57;04;22 - 00;57;13;27
Speaker 3
I'm happy like extra to me. Three doesn't sound like anything resembling the word. No burritos. Every time I go to a burrito place, it's somebody who has no.
00;57;13;27 - 00;57;15;01
Speaker 2
Concept of whatever Rito.
00;57;15;01 - 00;57;21;06
Speaker 3
Should look like or should taste like, or they've never had one. Right? It's like, oh, just bean sandwich. Is that what this is.
00;57;22;27 - 00;57;28;04
Speaker 1
Supposed to think about? But that's what it is. It's true. No, it's true.
00;57;28;05 - 00;57;33;28
Speaker 3
Time a bean sandwich, dude, it's craziness. You go to Subway, it's just like.
00;57;34;07 - 00;57;48;09
Speaker 1
Oh, subway subway's just a sandwich. Red light, lettuce, bread. It's it's bread. Lettuce. You order, you order meat on a on a subway sandwich. And then they go, cool, you want turkey? Here's two thin slices of turkey, and the rest.
00;57;48;09 - 00;57;58;03
Speaker 3
Of it is fine. People, I'm fighting people. I got a meatball sub, I got four on the whole thing and I'm wrestling people to like try to get another two on it, which it should have had it anyways.
00;57;58;12 - 00;57;59;19
Speaker 1
So you had eight on there.
00;57;59;21 - 00;58;05;09
Speaker 3
Yes, I like I'm trying to think of other restaurants like those are the main ones but just subway's.
00;58;05;17 - 00;58;06;28
Speaker 1
So subway's bad.
00;58;06;28 - 00;58;18;02
Speaker 3
Subway's poverty food. I refuse to go to Subway. I won't do it. I'll go to any other like chain subways. But I just feel like every time I go in there, I'm like, they're going to get in a fight with somebody.
00;58;18;02 - 00;58;19;17
Speaker 1
Fucking Quiznos. Subs man.
00;58;19;17 - 00;58;21;15
Speaker 3
Quiznos is sick. No, I don't know.
00;58;21;15 - 00;58;22;09
Speaker 1
It's a under siege.
00;58;22;10 - 00;58;25;20
Speaker 3
But it's unbelievable. There's just no good locations.
00;58;25;22 - 00;58;26;03
Speaker 1
No.
00;58;26;09 - 00;58;26;19
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;58;26;19 - 00;58;29;12
Speaker 2
Quiznos is fucking sweet. Like, I had that the other day. That's good.
00;58;29;12 - 00;58;35;27
Speaker 3
But anyways. Yeah, fuck it. Being sandwich beans and beans.
00;58;35;27 - 00;58;36;19
Speaker 1
Sandwich.
00;58;36;24 - 00;58;38;02
Speaker 3
Is so gross.
00;58;38;21 - 00;58;48;01
Speaker 1
So this, this this podcast needs to be titled Forza Motorsport and Beans Sandwiches. It'll be in the title. It will be in the comments.
00;58;48;02 - 00;58;51;06
Speaker 3
I think of something better. It's going to be in the title being sandwiches.
00;58;51;06 - 00;58;51;26
Speaker 1
And which is.
00;58;51;26 - 00;59;00;04
Speaker 3
For the for the motorsports things. Yeah they're reboots. Oh my god what a show. What is the podcast?
00;59;00;05 - 00;59;05;00
Speaker 1
I don't know. And it's funny because we haven't even gotten to our second segment yet anyways.
00;59;05;00 - 00;59;07;10
Speaker 3
Yeah, we won't. I'm trying to think we'll talk.
00;59;07;10 - 00;59;08;04
Speaker 1
About a little.
00;59;08;28 - 00;59;12;21
Speaker 2
Like actual motorsport news here. I'm just trying to think if much has been going on.
00;59;13;03 - 00;59;16;27
Speaker 3
We're kind of in that lull. I mean, we got the Daytona 24 this week.
00;59;16;27 - 00;59;17;11
Speaker 1
We do.
00;59;17;11 - 00;59;17;16
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;59;17;28 - 00;59;22;12
Speaker 2
Porsche had I don't know if you saw that crazy crash at Daytona Road.
00;59;22;13 - 00;59;22;29
Speaker 1
No, I didn't.
00;59;23;02 - 00;59;29;10
Speaker 2
Obviously write them 24 hours. Yeah, of course. But yeah, they're just going around the circle for 24 hours, feel.
00;59;29;12 - 00;59;33;29
Speaker 3
Like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. So the new Porsche.
00;59;34;23 - 00;59;35;11
Speaker 1
The nine six.
00;59;35;11 - 00;59;43;22
Speaker 3
3963. Correct. I was going to say that I'm actually proud. I remember that one. Um, I don't know, just last lap quality look like Porsche was.
00;59;43;22 - 00;59;47;10
Speaker 2
Probably going to pull away with the top time qualifying.
00;59;47;13 - 00;59;48;06
Speaker 1
Surprise prize.
00;59;48;18 - 00;59;50;15
Speaker 2
Like do that Carlos fast.
00;59;50;22 - 00;59;51;12
Speaker 3
Anyways, when.
00;59;51;12 - 00;59;53;07
Speaker 1
Entourage went off track.
00;59;53;08 - 00;59;59;12
Speaker 2
It was pushing it too far on a corner straight to the wall. Just blew the whole front of this thing off like crazy. I couldn't.
00;59;59;12 - 01;00;00;25
Speaker 3
Believe. But they had it back out there.
01;00;00;25 - 01;00;06;16
Speaker 2
Um, I don't know. They had everything fixed relatively quickly. They missed the rest of quality, obviously.
01;00;06;17 - 01;00;11;14
Speaker 3
Yeah, but races this weekend should be very, very interesting. I mean.
01;00;11;20 - 01;00;14;10
Speaker 2
This is a lot of new regulations that are coming in, a lot of cars.
01;00;14;10 - 01;00;14;24
Speaker 3
That we actually.
01;00;14;24 - 01;00;18;05
Speaker 2
Want to see in the new motorsport game by big time, I mean.
01;00;19;08 - 01;00;21;03
Speaker 3
The Porsche, the Jota.
01;00;22;09 - 01;00;25;04
Speaker 1
The new BMW, the new Cadillac, the new Peugeot.
01;00;25;08 - 01;00;29;11
Speaker 2
Ferrari as well. Yeah, specifically the Ferrari. I'm very excited for it. So it's.
01;00;29;11 - 01;00;31;09
Speaker 3
Like I mean, you've got all these new cars coming up.
01;00;31;21 - 01;00;38;04
Speaker 2
And this race is going to be a really good indicator of how this like how competitive the series actually.
01;00;38;04 - 01;00;38;24
Speaker 3
Is. Yeah.
01;00;40;04 - 01;00;42;06
Speaker 1
We have so many more manufacturers competing.
01;00;42;06 - 01;00;45;05
Speaker 3
Yeah. And it's well, that's just it. And it's a really good sales.
01;00;45;05 - 01;00;53;06
Speaker 2
Pitch for the top division of endurance racing, like the people who aren't in there, I mean. Koenigsberg They've been rumored to be.
01;00;53;06 - 01;00;54;05
Speaker 3
Flirting with the idea.
01;00;54;05 - 01;01;17;00
Speaker 2
And if either of them are Bugatti or vice versa or however you want to put it, it's both of them or none of them, right? Yeah. That's the talk. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot like I can Hyundai doing it. If they're talking about a Formula One program, they'll probably do that. Let's be honest here. Acura, I think they're full of shit talking about this is their last engine.
01;01;17;00 - 01;01;27;21
Speaker 2
It's like we said the last episode, they'll be around for a while. Even if it is their last century, they're just going to keep making modifications to it. I've heard so many false promises and racing so many times.
01;01;27;21 - 01;01;30;03
Speaker 3
So anyways, to get back to it.
01;01;31;03 - 01;01;32;27
Speaker 2
That's this weekend. We'll be watching.
01;01;33;17 - 01;01;35;01
Speaker 1
100%. We will be watching.
01;01;35;01 - 01;01;46;05
Speaker 2
To be a very good start to the racing season. It always is. NASCAR is testing mufflers right now, so they will be running mufflers for all of the road.
01;01;46;05 - 01;01;47;14
Speaker 3
Courses likely.
01;01;47;14 - 01;01;53;15
Speaker 2
I guess this year. I think that's the only time they're running them is is not the road courses. Sorry. The street circuits.
01;01;53;29 - 01;01;55;03
Speaker 1
Okay. Yeah.
01;01;55;18 - 01;01;58;09
Speaker 2
I think that's the only time they'll be running them.
01;01;58;09 - 01;02;23;03
Speaker 1
Am I surprised? No, because you do that. All right. I know, but the problem is you have a racing series and you have circuits like Long, Long Beach and Chicago, Chicago, all these. All these places that there are a lot of houses and buildings and stuff like that. You have your 80 to 90 year old people being like, this is too loud.
01;02;23;03 - 01;02;24;24
Speaker 1
I can't listen to. My History.
01;02;24;24 - 01;02;28;00
Speaker 3
Channel, I can imagine like a practice.
01;02;28;00 - 01;02;29;17
Speaker 2
Session on a Friday or something.
01;02;29;17 - 01;02;36;01
Speaker 3
And you're on College Park like, yeah, I can get how that would be kind of annoying and I mean.
01;02;36;06 - 01;02;40;13
Speaker 2
It's already going to echo so much in situations like that. Long Beach is actually a good example.
01;02;40;15 - 01;02;46;27
Speaker 3
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's as a racing enthusiast, I feel like it.
01;02;46;27 - 01;02;57;23
Speaker 2
Just it clearly sounds better without them. I don't think it sounds that bad. Like Brad Keselowski was saying earlier today, he's like, actually, it sounds awesome in person. Yeah, I get that actually sounds like a better, more refined exhaust note.
01;02;57;25 - 01;03;00;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. Rather than just absolute.
01;03;00;04 - 01;03;02;05
Speaker 3
Chaos, it's supposed to be similar.
01;03;02;05 - 01;03;05;01
Speaker 2
To, like, IMSA Corvette kind of sound.
01;03;05;04 - 01;03;06;02
Speaker 1
Ooh. Okay.
01;03;06;10 - 01;03;08;06
Speaker 2
Nothing wrong with that. No. Right.
01;03;08;26 - 01;03;12;12
Speaker 1
So are we talking about, like, C8 Corvette seven?
01;03;12;12 - 01;03;14;27
Speaker 2
So it's like. There's nothing wrong with that.
01;03;14;27 - 01;03;16;10
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'd be like, oh, I.
01;03;16;10 - 01;03;20;28
Speaker 3
Don't really know. Well, I don't know. We'll see how it goes. It's going to be really interesting, but they're just.
01;03;20;28 - 01;03;39;04
Speaker 2
Testing it, right? I imagine there's more tweaks to be made. What? Yeah, but that was just some interesting news. Um, there hasn't really been much with F1 I think. Oscar Piastri he's getting sued or something right now. He bought a bunch of money. I don't know. Big deal. But everyone yelling at him about that.
01;03;40;10 - 01;03;48;26
Speaker 3
Other F1 news. Uh, yeah. Nothing really. Right. With F1, just Honda thinks they're going to be involved with F1.
01;03;48;26 - 01;03;50;08
Speaker 2
Which makes no goddamn sense.
01;03;50;13 - 01;03;53;20
Speaker 1
Yeah, there was this stuff about Cadillac and Andretti or something like.
01;03;53;20 - 01;03;54;22
Speaker 3
It's called really this.
01;03;55;00 - 01;03;58;12
Speaker 1
There's nothing there's nothing solid that.
01;03;58;12 - 01;04;00;09
Speaker 3
Oh, okay. We actually do have.
01;04;00;09 - 01;04;03;00
Speaker 2
Something serious to talk about. Oh, yes, Mr. Ken BLOCK.
01;04;03;14 - 01;04;05;09
Speaker 3
Oh, just terrible.
01;04;05;09 - 01;04;07;29
Speaker 2
Guys, I can't believe we didn't open with that. No, I think about it.
01;04;07;29 - 01;04;33;29
Speaker 1
No. And that was that. It was it was difficult because when we recorded our last episode, it was the day before it was the it was January 1st that we ended up recording that episode. Um, and, you know, the next day we ended up hearing about that and it was just I, I genuinely cried like that was to the point where it's just so shocking.
01;04;33;29 - 01;04;36;06
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, it's like, holy cow.
01;04;36;08 - 01;04;45;28
Speaker 1
It was like he was. He was such a, uh, uh, uh, I like, I don't even know how to put it. It was.
01;04;46;11 - 01;04;47;09
Speaker 3
Was a motorsport.
01;04;47;09 - 01;05;12;12
Speaker 1
Icon. He was like, Yeah, he was someone that I looked up to in the way of motorsport, in the way of driving, in the way of, of what was possible with vehicles that I've never experienced and never saw in my life. Like every single Gymkhana video, I was all over every single, you know, video that he did about, you know, with the hooligans.
01;05;12;12 - 01;05;37;04
Speaker 1
I was all over. I ended up buying a pair of DC shoes back in, you know, the early 20 tens because of him, because he was the founder of DC Shoes, who's the co-founder. And again, he was like, it was it was to the point where there's so many things that wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for him.
01;05;37;04 - 01;05;53;23
Speaker 1
And, you know, I I'm glad you brought this up because he very much deserves it. And it's frustrating that something as simple as that is capable of of. Well.
01;05;54;02 - 01;05;54;21
Speaker 3
I mean.
01;05;54;27 - 01;05;55;20
Speaker 1
Taking a life.
01;05;55;29 - 01;05;57;03
Speaker 3
Yeah, I.
01;05;57;03 - 01;06;19;05
Speaker 2
Think that's what surprised a lot of people. It was almost just so shocking to hear how everything happened with the snowmobile accident. Like after all the crazy stuff that guy's done and just like, just getting by on a lot of these jumps, it's like, that's. That's what did it. It's like, yeah. How I just it goes to show you anything can happen.
01;06;19;05 - 01;06;27;13
Speaker 2
Yeah it's tragic you got to feel for his daughter who's making her way through the motorsport ranks right now. I mean, that's the, you know, really sad thing to think about.
01;06;28;00 - 01;06;32;14
Speaker 1
And the whole family in general of anyone who is close to them.
01;06;32;23 - 01;07;04;14
Speaker 2
Of course. Yeah. Like I mean, our condolences for sure. But it's just it's got to be a tough time for everybody. And, yeah, especially for people who, you know, we're heavily influenced by him because there's got to be a ton of people, right? There's a ton of people who got into racing. So people who play video games and you're into cars because of him or, you know, mechanics, everything, anything to do with automotive, I think, yeah, it goes to you the impact that one person can have on a specific community and the legacy that they can have because that's going to be felt forever.
01;07;04;27 - 01;07;16;07
Speaker 2
You'll always have a legacy in the automotive world. I mean, Audi, right. Like making cars based on like that's Senna level inspiration.
01;07;16;16 - 01;07;18;14
Speaker 1
Oh, 100%.
01;07;18;14 - 01;07;41;16
Speaker 2
Yeah. So it's, you know, a reminder to Yeah. Live every day like it's your last because it's true, right? Like, yeah, just you never you never know. And a reminder to Yeah. Try to make your impact felt on the world. Right, because I, I would say Ken BLOCK certainly did that when he left the world in a better place.
01;07;41;16 - 01;08;05;18
Speaker 2
So, yeah, our condolences to to anybody affected by that for sure, because that's that's a tough one. A very sudden one. Yeah, man. Um, probably, yeah. That definitely the toughest news in motorsport. Um, but I mean, regardless, you know, so some positive things happening around the motorsport world and whatnot, some positives and some interesting things with Forza that's for damn sure.
01;08;05;20 - 01;08;09;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, Jesus, we'll see what happens with this new game.
01;08;09;10 - 01;08;10;07
Speaker 1
Who knows? Right.
01;08;10;20 - 01;08;14;02
Speaker 2
Um, but I do want to switch gears.
01;08;14;07 - 01;08;15;03
Speaker 1
Okay?
01;08;15;03 - 01;08;16;14
Speaker 2
I got a car to talk about.
01;08;16;22 - 01;08;17;25
Speaker 1
You have a car to talk about?
01;08;17;25 - 01;08;19;02
Speaker 3
Yeah, it's my week. Actually, it's my.
01;08;19;04 - 01;08;24;23
Speaker 1
It is your week. Yeah. Well, last night. Last, last night. Last week I complained about the g-wagon.
01;08;24;23 - 01;08;27;00
Speaker 3
Yeah. Which is a good complaint. It is really.
01;08;27;14 - 01;08;29;08
Speaker 1
I still think about that stupid car.
01;08;29;09 - 01;08;30;16
Speaker 2
Hummer was a good one, too.
01;08;30;21 - 01;08;31;16
Speaker 1
Hummer was a good one.
01;08;32;00 - 01;08;35;12
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't know which week was which, but the Hummer. The Hummer and the GMC.
01;08;35;12 - 01;08;38;03
Speaker 1
It wasn't the Hummer last week or that I can't remember.
01;08;38;03 - 01;08;38;26
Speaker 2
I hate both of them.
01;08;39;03 - 01;08;40;06
Speaker 1
That's like me too.
01;08;41;27 - 01;08;44;03
Speaker 3
This week I've kind of got a bit.
01;08;44;03 - 01;08;46;22
Speaker 2
A quintessential classic here. Get that music going, that.
01;08;47;09 - 01;08;49;27
Speaker 3
Turn my headphones off, burn them shit.
01;08;49;27 - 01;08;52;20
Speaker 1
So it's it's turned up now. Okay, I'm going.
01;08;52;20 - 01;08;58;23
Speaker 3
To have the Prius. Oh, the Prius. And I've got a full statement here for.
01;08;58;23 - 01;09;00;13
Speaker 2
You and I really want you guys to hear now.
01;09;00;13 - 01;09;06;07
Speaker 3
On this. Okay. I know this stupid new generation Prius looks good and I know that the.
01;09;06;07 - 01;09;09;26
Speaker 2
Interior's nice and everything like that now. And it's really not as embarrassing to drive.
01;09;10;13 - 01;09;26;18
Speaker 3
But I hate everything about that car. I hate what it represents. Like, I think you have to just go back and cite all the different things that, like Jeremy Clarkson has said about it. The idea that you've got the, you know, the electric motors.
01;09;26;18 - 01;09;28;26
Speaker 2
And everything in this and you got to mind the batteries and then.
01;09;28;26 - 01;09;34;28
Speaker 3
You have to ship the batteries from South America to Europe, and then you ship it to Finland and do all these different things and manufacturability.
01;09;34;29 - 01;09;38;15
Speaker 2
Blah, blah, blah, blah, and all the logistics of this car and electric charging and whatever.
01;09;38;28 - 01;09;41;03
Speaker 3
And then you think about.
01;09;41;03 - 01;09;50;03
Speaker 2
Like, Oh, okay, well, the store has electric batteries and it's them, and you throw it out in 15 years where those batteries go and you can't recycle them, you can't get rid of them, and it's just a big detriment to the environment.
01;09;50;13 - 01;09;51;19
Speaker 3
And then you have the audacity.
01;09;51;19 - 01;09;53;09
Speaker 2
To be like, Yeah, this is good, the environment.
01;09;53;21 - 01;09;55;01
Speaker 3
Because that's really all that car.
01;09;55;01 - 01;09;56;05
Speaker 2
Is about, is about.
01;09;56;23 - 01;10;17;14
Speaker 3
Saving on emissions and saving the environment. You can say whatever you want. Well, Jason, but I save so much money in gas. Well, you know, at the risk of sounding like a right wing podcast here, that's fair. Go be poor somewhere else. Honestly, I hate it to. Save 55 bucks a month or something at most in gas. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
It's just like, holy cow. There's so many cars that are good on gas now that doesn't even matter know. And what that car is doing is, is actually essentially kill the cars. It's true it's kills July off and the the entertainment out of cars the enjoyment we're car enthusiasts in me and if you're listening there's a very good chance you're a true car enthusiast and you want that emotion and you're driving, I think, for something as significant as driving a car for most people, right?
01;10;48;20 - 01;10;55;04
Speaker 3
Like that's a usually a big part of most people's day is your commute. It's how you get food. It's whatever it's at house.
01;10;55;04 - 01;10;57;09
Speaker 1
How exciting is it for you to get your first car?
01;10;57;19 - 01;11;10;12
Speaker 3
Yeah, of course. It's a huge milestone for everybody for a reason, but it's just to you know, this car has led to so many different things becoming eliminated, like the joy of driving. It's a chore now, right?
01;11;10;14 - 01;11;11;20
Speaker 1
Because it is. Yeah.
01;11;11;20 - 01;11;16;25
Speaker 2
Everything's smooth and electronic steering and there's no feedback and it's just.
01;11;17;17 - 01;11;17;27
Speaker 1
You know.
01;11;18;00 - 01;11;18;17
Speaker 3
It's literally.
01;11;18;17 - 01;11;19;23
Speaker 2
Just got around, right? Yeah.
01;11;20;05 - 01;11;24;02
Speaker 1
So it's point to point B, how easy can we make this for you?
01;11;24;12 - 01;11;29;06
Speaker 3
So it's just such a horrible.
01;11;29;14 - 01;11;31;22
Speaker 2
Concept of a car that's just.
01;11;31;22 - 01;11;32;21
Speaker 3
Destroyed.
01;11;33;00 - 01;11;34;28
Speaker 2
Cars and motorsport and everything.
01;11;34;28 - 01;11;39;09
Speaker 3
And look at motorsport right now. Right. And the series we're talking about that.
01;11;39;09 - 01;11;40;01
Speaker 2
We're excited.
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Speaker 3
About is a V6 series with electric.
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Speaker 2
Motors in combination.
01;11;45;14 - 01;11;50;09
Speaker 3
That sounds a little familiar. Yeah, that's thanks to Prius.
01;11;50;09 - 01;11;50;29
Speaker 1
That's the Prius.
01;11;50;29 - 01;11;56;03
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like, that's that's what we're doing right now and that's what auto automakers are forced to do because that's the.
01;11;56;03 - 01;12;01;19
Speaker 2
Formula that's probably going to take us for the next little bit is going to be a combination of. Synthetic fuels and electric motors.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. In the same car.
01;12;02;24 - 01;12;03;21
Speaker 1
Yeah, I'm.
01;12;03;29 - 01;12;08;20
Speaker 3
In agreement that that's probably the best formula moving forward, but the small displacement.
01;12;08;20 - 01;12;20;28
Speaker 2
Engines and everything like that and the lack of feedback and the electric steering and all this, this shit that just makes cars so dull and just generic and honestly kind of piggybacking on the monotony of just SUV is.
01;12;20;28 - 01;12;29;16
Speaker 3
Everywhere. It's thanks to the Prius. It really kind of started that just maximum fuel savings.
01;12;29;16 - 01;12;37;13
Speaker 2
Who cares about esthetics? Make it look like an egg. Big deal. Literally compromise everything just to get the best fuel economy.
01;12;37;18 - 01;12;39;12
Speaker 3
That's a long way.
01;12;39;12 - 01;12;42;03
Speaker 1
Fucking go, Toyota. You ruined vehicles forever.
01;12;42;03 - 01;12;54;12
Speaker 3
Ruined it. And I even think it's such a bad thing for cars that it actually looks acceptable now and now it's not as embarrassing because it's still the same boring ass car.
01;12;54;14 - 01;12;56;19
Speaker 2
It's no different than a Corolla or a Camry.
01;12;56;19 - 01;13;00;07
Speaker 3
Every car looks the same, whether It's that a mazda three and.
01;13;00;07 - 01;13;01;24
Speaker 2
Mazda five, some sort of Honda.
01;13;01;24 - 01;13;13;18
Speaker 3
Civic. Some sort of Honda. A Chevy, a Buick. Everything, everything looks the exact same. We you get in, it's just a black interior.
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Speaker 2
With a black leather and a sunroof and apple.
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Speaker 3
Carplay. And it's just the looking car over and over and over. Ever since 2016 is the exact same car. Everybody makes the exact same thing. Who cares? There's no inspiration. There's no emotion. Yeah. In a lot of these day to day, daily cars, it's true. Nobody's willing to take a.
01;13;35;17 - 01;13;37;12
Speaker 2
Chance, take a jump and.
01;13;37;22 - 01;13;42;15
Speaker 3
Make something a little unique. So I really blame the Prius for.
01;13;42;15 - 01;13;47;28
Speaker 2
Everything that's happened in the automotive space in the past 15 years. Has negative.
01;13;48;05 - 01;13;55;21
Speaker 3
20 years. Honestly, it's just an ugly piece of crap that's made people accept the monotony.
01;13;55;26 - 01;14;03;07
Speaker 2
And the chore of driving as nothing more than a way to cut back and save money and save gas and save time.
01;14;03;12 - 01;14;07;02
Speaker 3
That's all it is. There's nothing more to driving now.
01;14;07;02 - 01;14;09;20
Speaker 2
And it's just this whole generation of people that's coming up.
01;14;10;04 - 01;14;13;24
Speaker 3
I'm not saying everybody's got to be a car enthusiast, but you should be able to enjoy a.
01;14;13;24 - 01;14;17;07
Speaker 2
Pretty significant chunk of your day. Yep. That's My point.
01;14;17;18 - 01;14;19;21
Speaker 3
So it's a is more of a serious.
01;14;19;21 - 01;14;26;23
Speaker 2
Rather than nonsensical complaint corner. That's a very you know, I feel like that's pretty poignant but it drives me nuts.
01;14;27;00 - 01;14;27;16
Speaker 1
No, I agree.
01;14;27;18 - 01;14;29;12
Speaker 2
He does. I fucking hate that car.
01;14;29;18 - 01;14;30;00
Speaker 1
I agree.
01;14;30;26 - 01;14;32;13
Speaker 3
If you think about if you think.
01;14;32;13 - 01;14;37;24
Speaker 2
Back to your first car, if you're listening at home, just, you know, close your eyes. If you're I don't care if you still close your eyes.
01;14;38;17 - 01;14;41;05
Speaker 3
Think about your first car and.
01;14;41;06 - 01;14;42;05
Speaker 1
Maybe you're still driving it.
01;14;42;05 - 01;14;44;05
Speaker 3
A very good chance that.
01;14;44;16 - 01;14;47;04
Speaker 2
That's one of your favorite cars ever. If not your favorite.
01;14;47;07 - 01;14;49;18
Speaker 3
Yep. Why is that? Right? There's an emotional.
01;14;49;18 - 01;14;50;03
Speaker 2
Attachment.
01;14;50;03 - 01;14;56;04
Speaker 3
Usually it's not perfect, right? There's. There's no way you're the first car.
01;14;56;07 - 01;14;58;19
Speaker 2
You ever had was perfect. Just. There's no way.
01;14;58;19 - 01;15;02;20
Speaker 1
Right. I had a Saturn from my first car. So today. Yeah, I love it.
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Speaker 3
I did too. I always said I wanted to keep it so people liked the flaws of those cars. That's what makes you bond with the cars as cars continue to, just like all look the same and be monotonous and just. It's not that they're perfect now, it's just that it's like they're just all kind of like, we'll say nice, like, take a fucking chance.
01;15;27;27 - 01;15;30;16
Speaker 3
Somebody do something, and it's like, Oh, I don't really.
01;15;30;16 - 01;15;35;21
Speaker 2
Like the center dash display, but it's like I suffocating in all the scrappy little car or something like that, right?
01;15;35;29 - 01;15;38;23
Speaker 1
Grab it by the scruff of the neck, but throw it into the corner.
01;15;38;29 - 01;15;44;07
Speaker 3
Everything's the same. Yep. So it's just. That's what I mean when I say Toyota's kind.
01;15;44;07 - 01;15;48;01
Speaker 2
Of done this where, I mean, their entire range looks the exact same inside.
01;15;48;07 - 01;16;05;16
Speaker 3
Mazda, every single car they make looks the same. Every SUV in car. And hatchback has the same front fascia. Yeah, it's the same car. This one's on stilts. This one's a midget. It's like I.
01;16;08;13 - 01;16;10;12
Speaker 1
This one was put through a taffy puller.
01;16;11;04 - 01;16;30;28
Speaker 3
Yes, exactly. So the. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see a limo. Oh, my car. But it's all the same. It is. And it's just take a chance. Like, how hard is it. It's, it's all and then they try. Oh it's a unified with a unified range. Oh like I don't have every car in the stable and I don't have them all match.
01;16;31;09 - 01;16;40;00
Speaker 3
Why, why the hell do I care if they look all the same? It doesn't matter to me right? And what does that look is a dud. So now your whole range sucks.
01;16;40;00 - 01;16;46;13
Speaker 1
Great one. I don't know anyone that has said, hmm, I've dreamed of owning every single Mazda model and.
01;16;46;14 - 01;16;50;23
Speaker 2
Wanting to mazdas to match. Yeah. Multiple cars at home. They should all look the same.
01;16;51;05 - 01;16;55;27
Speaker 1
I want my I want my Mazda two to my Mazda six nine to be the same color.
01;16;55;27 - 01;17;00;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. And let's chalk it up as a design language, which is really just being lazy. So it's just.
01;17;00;15 - 01;17;01;17
Speaker 3
I don't know, I hate.
01;17;01;17 - 01;17;05;17
Speaker 2
That car. I hate what it's done to the average person.
01;17;05;17 - 01;17;06;14
Speaker 1
You know, it's fair.
01;17;06;14 - 01;17;08;19
Speaker 2
And what is expected of a car.
01;17;08;19 - 01;17;15;08
Speaker 1
So it's a it's a good one. Well, we, we haven't said it yet, but, um, Toyota Prius. Fuck that car.
01;17;15;08 - 01;17;19;21
Speaker 2
Perfect. Yes. Well, um, let's recap the show. Yes.
01;17;19;21 - 01;17;21;12
Speaker 3
Because I need a.
01;17;21;12 - 01;17;22;01
Speaker 2
Mcdouble.
01;17;22;18 - 01;17;24;04
Speaker 1
And I need to go to bed.
01;17;24;29 - 01;17;26;28
Speaker 2
No, have a mic. Double nap.
01;17;27;07 - 01;17;27;22
Speaker 1
Yes.
01;17;28;02 - 01;17;38;13
Speaker 2
So motorsport, there's going to be you know, we'll post more as we hear about this. Yeah, I think we're cautiously optimistic. Very cautiously. Almost skeptical.
01;17;39;15 - 01;17;40;16
Speaker 1
I think skeptical.
01;17;40;20 - 01;17;45;03
Speaker 3
I don't have a good feeling. I've got to like I don't want to say I have a bad.
01;17;45;03 - 01;17;46;22
Speaker 2
Feeling, but like I'm not.
01;17;47;00 - 01;18;07;10
Speaker 1
There's one of two things is going to happen. They're going to be very under the radar about this game. And when it releases, it's going to be a huge success and it's going to be better than any of us ever expected. Or the other thing that's going to happen is they're overhyping this game way too much and it's going to be a huge disappointment.
01;18;07;10 - 01;18;10;10
Speaker 2
That's what kind of you know, that's part of what scares me a little bit.
01;18;10;20 - 01;18;12;12
Speaker 1
Like ordering a Big Mac with no meat.
01;18;13;09 - 01;18;27;19
Speaker 3
Sort of I don't know, equate it more to the McRib. Like it's like if the McRib is coming back, it's an event, right? The McRib is back. Let's go. We got commercials, we got signs. It's like, you know. You're kind of teasing, like next week. Yeah, rip. Yeah, like, come on.
01;18;27;27 - 01;18;30;10
Speaker 1
And then you go to buy a McRib and there's no meat.
01;18;30;10 - 01;18;32;19
Speaker 2
And it's underwhelming. So that's a force a game.
01;18;32;29 - 01;18;48;07
Speaker 3
Basically, right But I just I just compare the video game to the McRib, so. But, but it's something it's true. And the makers like the KFC, McDonald's better. Yeah, but when you cut it again.
01;18;48;07 - 01;18;53;11
Speaker 1
Yes, KFC double down, you go to grab it and you're like, I'm covered in grief. I'm not enjoying this at all.
01;18;53;11 - 01;18;56;12
Speaker 3
Right. Oh, my God. Well, we will drop.
01;18;56;12 - 01;19;00;25
Speaker 2
Our little piece of tidbit information and the inevitable lull.
01;19;01;05 - 01;19;01;17
Speaker 1
Yes.
01;19;01;17 - 01;19;21;06
Speaker 2
Of of news. Yeah. So based on current calculations, we won't hear anything for checking my watch another fucking six months on this game. Yeah, give or take. If everything makes sense, we get about two pieces. Information about this goddamn game a year. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll drop that new soon horizon. Nothing's going on.
01;19;21;13 - 01;19;22;00
Speaker 1
It's not yet.
01;19;22;07 - 01;19;23;24
Speaker 3
If You play the game message.
01;19;23;24 - 01;19;35;20
Speaker 2
Why you play the game? I'm actually very interested. Shoot us a message and tell us why you still play Horizon. Because I would say I have anything necessary against the game. It is. It kind of like it's a good game at heart.
01;19;35;20 - 01;19;36;03
Speaker 1
It is.
01;19;36;03 - 01;19;50;06
Speaker 2
But I'm always interested to know what keeps people playing. Yeah, right. Yeah. And we'll post some of your DMS and whatnot of what actually, you know, keeps you ticking. Right? I think that's fair. And of course.
01;19;50;06 - 01;19;52;10
Speaker 1
That keeps the rod not going.
01;19;52;10 - 01;19;58;16
Speaker 2
Keeps yeah. The M 156 and that's not a rod upward is it. A Jaime chain adjuster.
01;19;58;16 - 01;20;00;09
Speaker 1
Tech adjuster. Tech. Oh, there you go.
01;20;00;16 - 01;20;03;15
Speaker 2
So yeah, put in 2040. Have a.
01;20;03;15 - 01;20;05;20
Speaker 3
Good week. We will be back.
01;20;06;07 - 01;20;13;10
Speaker 2
We've got some big stuff planned as well. We say it all the time. We do. And Aaron's got that new Xbox. So I do zesty pitch.
01;20;13;10 - 01;20;14;18
Speaker 1
There's going to be some very.
01;20;15;10 - 01;20;16;21
Speaker 2
Honestly the renderings crazy.
01;20;16;21 - 01;20;22;19
Speaker 1
Oh my it's it's it's next level it's next level. So I didn't I, I'm still speechless.
01;20;23;06 - 01;20;40;29
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, I mean, we've done it before with the cloud gaming because it is actually rendered on a series X or whatever the hell they try to say. It's just a little laggy. But yeah, I still like the pitchers look great, so it's going to be nice that you'll be able to do that once a week. I think Thursdays are going to be our day for for doing for us of content, whatnot.
01;20;40;29 - 01;20;57;27
Speaker 2
But yeah, no, look out for some cool stuff. Motorsport like the actual thing, not the game. Yeah, that's ramping up. So we're going to have a lot more to talk about there, too. Somalia and Yemen. It's it's it's a good time to be a racing fan. I'd say that.
01;20;58;29 - 01;21;17;09
Speaker 1
It's I think I have a good feeling about this year yeah. For the new series coming up for motorsport the like for Forza motorsport itself coming later later later later this year, F1 F1 is going to be good. Yeah, this is it's going to be a good year. I'm excited for it. I'm looking forward to it. There's going to be a lot to talk about.
01;21;17;09 - 01;21;20;16
Speaker 1
There's going to be a ride to go over. Yes. I'm also going to be busy.
01;21;20;16 - 01;21;43;29
Speaker 2
One thing I want to add, and this is what I'm a close out with. Okay. So as you know, as our listeners know, we routinely when we can event or sorry, we attend the event up in Bowmanville, the old Canadian Tire Motorsport camp. Yep, yep. So, you know, it's sort of racing, it's endurance racing, whatnot, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01;21;44;05 - 01;22;00;24
Speaker 2
Yep. We are going to begin our planning soon and what we're going to do this year is we're going to let you in on the planning a little bit. We're going to let you make some decisions on who we bring. And, you know, do we bring a slip and slide? Do we bring like some sort of activity or contest?
01;22;00;24 - 01;22;09;21
Speaker 2
We bring Guitar Hero to bring this. We bring that. What do you want to see us do at the track? Do you want to see us rollerblade and play hockey on on the track. Because we can do that.
01;22;09;25 - 01;22;10;15
Speaker 1
We could do that.
01;22;10;22 - 01;22;29;07
Speaker 2
There's many things we can do. So you're going to be able to dictate, you know, everything from the food that we bring down to the actual nonsense activities that we do, to the choice of beer that we're going to buy in Quebec for pennies on the dollar. Because Ontario is a poverty province and we have to pay way too much for booze.
01;22;29;07 - 01;22;39;11
Speaker 2
So we travel to Quebec to get such a drink. So you will help basically pick all those different items up. But the planning starts now, so and I'll be bringing my car down. Thank Christ.
01;22;39;11 - 01;22;39;26
Speaker 1
Finally.
01;22;39;27 - 01;22;48;24
Speaker 2
Yeah, I know. Now I actually have good tires, so I am. Yeah. Very much looking forward to that. So we'll have a little bit more info about that next week at the following week.
01;22;48;28 - 01;22;49;07
Speaker 1
Yep.
01;22;49;24 - 01;22;52;00
Speaker 2
But yeah. Good times on the way, my friend.
01;22;52;18 - 01;23;06;17
Speaker 1
All right. Well, um, that is episode. Oh, my God. Episode 12. We got so many to go. It is quarter to four in the morning. Jesus Christ. I know I am.
01;23;06;17 - 01;23;07;03
Speaker 3
I'm perfect.
01;23;07;03 - 01;23;15;22
Speaker 1
Double time for make double time for me to sleep. And we will probably see you next week. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see.
01;23;15;23 - 01;23;17;11
Speaker 3
Who knows in episode 12?
01;23;17;11 - 01;23;38;25
Speaker 1
It's episode 12. Thanks for joining us.