(Note this episode originally aired in February) Hello and welcome to Episode 13! The guys dive into the Rally Adventure expansion before its complete reveal, and to no one's shock, Jason nails the prediction (mid). Still, it could have been worse, and the fellas give a thoughtful analysis. Also, get your tin foil hats on! Forza Horizon creative director Mike Brown, along with a few other employees working in key areas, have left Playground games. Could this be the start of noticeable changes and improvements to some areas we've been complaining about? We give a full, baseless guess on what it could mean (further reading here). One cool idea could be the introduction of customizable race suits, a suggestion from one of our followers! Moving on, Jason has some complaints about people who badmouth German cars and their reliability, we talk NASCAR's Garage 56 entry into Le Mans and brief F1 season predictions. For F*** that car, Aren has a brand new, small, stupid-looking truck; you may have forgotten it even exists. All this and more in our February edition of the Forza World Podcast!
(Note this episode originally aired in February) Hello and welcome to Episode 13! The guys dive into the Rally Adventure expansion before its complete reveal, and to no one's shock, Jason nails the prediction (mid). Still, it could have been worse, and the fellas give a thoughtful analysis. Also, get your tin foil hats on! Forza Horizon creative director Mike Brown, along with a few other employees working in key areas, have left Playground games. Could this be the start of noticeable changes and improvements to some areas we've been complaining about? We give a full, baseless guess on what it could mean (further reading here). One cool idea could be the introduction of customizable race suits, a suggestion from one of our followers! Moving on, Jason has some complaints about people who badmouth German cars and their reliability, we talk NASCAR's Garage 56 entry into Le Mans and brief F1 season predictions. For F*** that car, Aren has a brand new, small, stupid-looking truck; you may have forgotten it even exists. All this and more in our February edition of the Forza World Podcast!
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Speaker 1
To you. Forcing anything I do.
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Speaker 2
Is fucking like, don't seem willing to take it off the one, two, three on it. Come see me with the big promise.
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Speaker 3
Hello and welcome to Episode 13.
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Speaker 2
13.
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Speaker 3
13 of the Fourth World Podcast. Yea, yea, yea. Everyone's doing well.
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Speaker 2
How are you feeling?
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Speaker 3
I'm feeling good.
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Speaker 2
I'm not the drunk mass.
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Speaker 3
Last week it was a drunk fest. Last week, Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 2
Aaron was waffled. By the time we had the play play button on our podcast.
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Speaker 3
Oh my God, it was so bad. Granted, I was told to not drive so that I could have drinks.
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Speaker 2
That's true. I didn't mean drink the entire liquor cabinet, but. Yes, correct.
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Speaker 3
So you brought this upon yourself? Yea.
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Speaker 2
Speaking of which, we are having a drink today. We don't have a Stella Artois. A little afternoon podcast for a change.
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Speaker 3
Yea, I got Michelob going and got me.
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Speaker 2
I got a pass on the Michelob actually.
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Speaker 3
Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
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Speaker 2
Yes. Very nice afternoon. Beer. A nice little afternoon recording. So yeah, it's good stuff. We got some news. Actually, we.
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Speaker 3
Have a lot of news. We got well, I don't want to say a lot of news. We have one big piece of news that we want to talk about, because.
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Speaker 2
The news.
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Speaker 3
For the news, the rest of it is somewhat news, but we just don't.
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Speaker 2
It's more motorsport.
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Speaker 3
More motorsport stuff.
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Speaker 2
And stuff we want to talk about. But yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 3
Um, but the Forza news.
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Speaker 2
Well, by the time this episode comes out, it's probably already going to be well known that the expansion has been announced for for us, Horizon five.
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Speaker 3
Yes.
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Speaker 2
We pretty much this is the day before the announcement and we're pretty certain what it's going to be.
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Speaker 3
Yeah. My guess is it's going to be some sort of rally slash Dakar slash bar off road oriented expansion.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, this should be the successor for the original Forza Horizon one rally.
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Speaker 3
Expansion rally expected.
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Speaker 2
If they do it right, that's what this should be. It's what it looks like it'd be.
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Speaker 3
If they do this right. I think this is going to bring a lot of people back to Horizon.
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Speaker 2
I think so.
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Speaker 3
I think so because Horizon five, as I'm sure we all know, has been trailing in its playable city.
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Speaker 2
Oh, dear God. Yes.
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Speaker 3
Because there's nothing to push people to keep playing like, yeah, you got your accolades going, but congratulations, you complete every single accolade in the game and you get a Koenigsberg regatta.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, cool. There's some cars that are just as fast. Yeah, I'll survive without it.
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Speaker 3
I have two riggers in my garage. Do I care about another one? No, no. Fantastic. But I think, again, if they do this right, if it is the successor to the Horizon rally expansion from Horizon one, I think it's going to bring a lot of people back.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, there should be more of a sense of progression to it as well. Yeah. Like if it's anything like the original, there was like a certain like flow to each stage and you kind of move your way through it, right? There was a start and there was a finish to it. Yeah, it was very clear in that sense.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. So, I don't know. I kind of feel like it should be Horizon Rally meets the Blizzard Mountain, sort of little community thing where you got this little station like this one little center for the expansion festival. Yeah. And then that's it. Right. Everything. Like there's no other core within that expansion map, and then the rest is just open desert, I guess.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. The one preview picture kind of insinuates that. I don't know. We'll see.
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Speaker 3
I'm more worried that this is going to be another expansion where you you load into this new map and you have fortunately.
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Speaker 2
Oh, that's a which is really good, actually. It wasn't the most well received when it came out. No, it's actually really fun.
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Speaker 3
It was like it was a really good expansion.
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Speaker 2
Or was a fortunately. What the hell was it?
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Speaker 3
It was fortunate. I was fortunate with Storm Islands.
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Speaker 2
When I'm thinking.
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Speaker 3
Of I was writing Storm Island. That one was a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2
That was really.
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Speaker 3
Good. Yes. But my concern is it's going to be very similar to the rest of the expansions that they do, where you go in and you're like, oh, here's another championship to the championship, congrats, you finished the championship and now you're done with this map entirely.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And it's kind of designed to be like that. It probably will be like that. It's it's a little bit of a difficulty just to get people playing for a little bit again. Yeah, I mean, that's really all these are at this point, it's kind of disappointing. Like, I mean, the amount of times I just left the game on Blizzard Island or Blizzard or whatever the fuck.
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Speaker 3
Blizzard Mountain.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, all the time. Yeah. The game was constantly on that. I mean, to be fair, that was before elements were like a really huge part of the games. Like the first time there was snow and all that. So it was really fun, but it was just a good map in general. It wasn't. So I wonder if this little Dakar or whatever you want to call it, Dakar, which.
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Speaker 3
I don't know, whatever it is. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Baja chicken, the hot chicken stuff from Quiznos, by the way, is so good. They do not sponsor us, but I wish they did because that sub man, I'd eat that every day if we had a Quiznos near here.
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Speaker 3
We don't show business in Baja.
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Speaker 2
So that's that's funny. I think of the sandwich first when I think of Baja, then I think of the car stuff second.
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Speaker 3
Oh yes.
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Speaker 2
Good chicken sandwich.
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Speaker 3
It's a good very good. Proves how good of a chicken sandwich that is. Yes.
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Speaker 2
If I'm not complaining about it's very good. Yeah, but we'll see. I don't know. I didn't think they advertise this thing very well, though. Like no rice.
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Speaker 3
No, no, no. And that's that's another thing that I wanted to to mention is back in the day when you had the Forza expansions or the trailers or anything like that, they didn't lead up to it in any way. They posted it, here's the trailer, here's the teaser, here's the expansion or whatever it is. Like with Forza motor, you know, Forza horizon two, when they did that 10/2 teaser of that Lamborghini, that was it.
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Speaker 3
That's what that was. And there's like surprise here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
I don't know if you guys remember that. Just that yellow work on.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Ripping through, like some cornfields or something like that. Yeah, it was a big deal because Horizon one, I mean, you couldn't go outside of those guardrails. Very rare. What the golf course. That's it. That was like the only place you could really do that. And there was a reason why everybody hung out at the golf course because bisect is a rip around filling your car at things.
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Speaker 2
But it was like a big deal. Whereas like, okay, now this is like a legitimate open world game, like legit start to finish. But I mean that teaser, I mean that satisfied everybody for months it felt like and it was like a big okay I'm definitely tuning into this launch. Yeah like I see this video this looks sick.
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Speaker 2
It sounded really good too. I don't know if you remember like hitting the rev limiter two.
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Speaker 3
Yeah who fly pop.
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Speaker 2
At that back it was just like the sound was a big improvement. Everything was a it was a big step up that game in general really like the graphics still kind of hold up. Yeah. So I mean, you start to think of, okay, well all the old Horizon games crushed the DLC trailers and announcements and you always kind of knew when something was coming out.
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Speaker 2
It was very prevalent. Even without you got to remember, there was no Horizon Instagram. There was just like Forza official or Forza motorsport official that covered everything. Yeah. And then Playground started to have an account and then all of a sudden there was a Horizon account and nobody knew if it was real. For a while. But like back then they had no problem promoting it.
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Speaker 2
Everybody was on the same page and the news was very evident. Yeah. And now it's like. I mean, I don't know, this is a day before the expansion. They announced something yesterday or two days ago, supposedly. I just came across it this morning by chance, like sneezed and I dropped my phone and then I picked it up and then it scrolled to it.
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Speaker 2
So if I didn't sneeze, I would I would have even known this is coming out. You didn't know until recently either?
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Speaker 3
I didn't know until yesterday evening. I was scrolling through and I saw this post. It wasn't even from the Forza official Instagram. It was from someone else showed at Fastlane Gaming. Honestly, they got a lot of really good.
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Speaker 2
PSN Gaming's great.
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Speaker 3
You know, 300%. It was on on that page and I saw it, I was like, Ooh, okay, hold on. And I started scrolling through and I looked at it. I was like, Oh, okay. One, we got the Audi S1 Quattro coming back, the actual rally car. So I'm excited for that because that's one of my favorite cars to drive.
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Speaker 3
Mm. But other than that, I'm like, okay, well I completely forgot about it until today when you mentioned it and you're like, Oh yeah, this is happening. Because I just read about it. I was like, Oh, right, I read about that yesterday. But that's the issue that we're having is there's no hype anymore. Yeah, I don't hype it up like they used to.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And even it's just weird, right? Like, I mean, I'm not saying you have to hype it up like you used to necessarily, but it just seems like that key element of grandeur and drama and like storytelling sort of I guess I don't really know how you want to put it, but there's no buildup, right? You know, you should have like a little teaser and then a little bit more info and then there's a reason to tune into the event.
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Speaker 2
But it's so linear where it's like, this is the date and it's like a day before. It's like buried somewhere and it's like, here you go. It's like, there's no hype, right? You have nothing to get excited for and it doesn't really build it up properly. We saw it with motorsport in the same pattern and how they kind of announces to they buried it and that kind of live stream format on their Instagram.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, like the graphic template is buried in that like for as a go or whatever the hell it is.
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Speaker 3
Whatever it is. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
And the live stream thing I've never tuned into once.
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Speaker 3
No. And it says Forza Horizon five expansion to reveal. Yeah. In that post. I didn't know it said that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. It's buried like you wouldn't know. Like it's not, it's like the third largest text on the page. Yeah, yeah. It's weird.
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Speaker 3
And what I find kind of more disappointing is the end of the posting that picture with the background of, you know, what the expansion is supposed to look like, it doesn't look any different than any other festival. Yeah, it doesn't look any different than any other festival thing that they've posted to promote the game itself.
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Speaker 2
It looks like a stock image.
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Speaker 3
It looks like a yeah, it looks like.
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Speaker 2
The only the only real event is the Horizon Festival banners are like this one.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Orange, yellow. And it really reminds me of the for as a rally sort of stuff. For some reason. I don't know, I just, I get that feeling just the way it's kind of branded. But yeah, it's not that significant. No, like, why not put like a super juicy image on there where it's like, ooh, like, what is that like?
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Speaker 2
We've never seen anything like that before. Like, yeah, shot of a car, like a big car and a big jump. And then everybody gets suspected hate and talk about it like all this is, is people are just like, oh, it's in the desert. And I see like a little rally stage and like, that's it. So it's horizon rally, but it's not like that looks sick.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. There's nothing about this that says that looks sick. It's just this is a probably a rally game.
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Speaker 3
Yep.
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Speaker 2
That says and we'll release a special episode of We're Completely Wrong right now and you're listening to this and you're like, These guys are idiots. It's Horizon Tokyo. It's like, okay, all right, well, I'm an idiot then. Fine. Right. And we'll do a separate show dedicated to kind of like a review of it.
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Speaker 3
Yeah, they will.
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Speaker 2
Probably do a review anyways, depending on how it goes. We might just mash into another show if it's what it it's.
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Speaker 3
Kind of like if it's yeah. If we're, if it's like a subpar, like, yeah, this is kind of what we expected. You know, there's cool parts, there's disappointing parts. It is what it is.
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Speaker 2
It's exactly what we expect. It's going to get thrown in with another it's.
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Speaker 3
Going to get through along with another show. It's going to get mashed into something else. If it either exceeds our expectations or like you said, if we're completely wrong and it's something completely different. Yeah. Because you look at some of the the rock formations, it looks like it could be Arizona.
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Speaker 2
See, that's what's different. If it's Texas or Arizona or like Southern Party, California or something like that, that is major. I think they'd be stupid to do it because.
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Speaker 3
But at the same time I think they'd be stupid not to do it.
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Speaker 2
And see, this is this is my take on it though. I think if you're going to return to the U.S., you got to return to Colorado. I think the next time you stay or, quote, step foot in the states, it has to be like back.
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Speaker 3
In college, you.
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Speaker 2
Do Colorado and then your expansion is different parts of the states. I think.
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Speaker 3
That would be that would be.
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Speaker 2
Good. That's got to be the move. And my point would be and eventually they will go back to the states. So make no bones about it like it will eventually either get remastered or something like that.
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Speaker 3
I, I wouldn't be surprised if Horizon six was the last Horizon game. Honestly. Really? I wouldn't be surprised why? Because it's been dying. This this is going to be another show completely in and of itself. There are other competitors that are coming onto the scene. Crew Motor Fest looks exactly like Horizon five. Have you seen anything about the crew motorcycle trailers idea?
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Speaker 3
No. Okay. It looks like.
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Speaker 2
What is it?
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Speaker 3
The crew motor.
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Speaker 2
Oh, the crew. Sorry.
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Speaker 3
It's the third crew game. It was going to be expansion for the crew, too, but then they decided that they're going to make their own game. It's the crew motor fest. If you watch the trailer, it looks exactly like Horizon five. You see this, the Lamborghini skin, cyan, whatever you pronounce it, Roadster, the Ford Bronco, Shelby Cobra. It looks like Horizon five whenever it decides to release or whenever they end up releasing more information test drive, solar crown.
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Speaker 3
That's going to be yeah.
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Speaker 2
That test drive game is pretty major.
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Speaker 3
That's going to be big when that releases because if you played any of the test drive games before, you know how detailed it was, you know what the customization was like buying a car from a dealership and being able to customize the interior, the exterior, the wheels, you know, all of that stuff that was big for for stuff like that back then.
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Speaker 3
You could use turn signals. You could put the roof up and down on every single convertible in that game casually. Mm hmm. Unlike, I don't know, 80% of the convertibles that are in Horizon five right now that don't have the roof mechanic. Yeah, what's up with that? Like there's six, seven ish.
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Speaker 2
Settings.
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Speaker 3
That you can actually use the convertible portion of the roof for and that's it.
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Speaker 2
So stupid. Yeah. There was such a like big deal. I remember in the trailer for this game, you'd think every car would have it. Yeah, I kind of forgot about that, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 3
First there were like.
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Speaker 2
It's a bit of a novelty. That's probably why, like, I kind of forgot about the convertible thing. If I'm being honest with you, I usually just set it and forget it and that's it.
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Speaker 3
But honestly, if I'm driving around and I have a convertible and I got the top down and I'm just, you know, you're more of you're.
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Speaker 2
More of a driver view guy.
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Speaker 3
Right? Yeah.
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Speaker 2
See, I'm not so I don't really care.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
Doesn't suck me none.
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Speaker 3
That's fair. But if I'm buzzin through the canyons or whatever it is and it starts raining, you bet. I'm going to pull over, put the roof up. Enjoy that mechanic dork. I am. Yes, thank you. I don't like I don't know. There's obviously people that want stuff like.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, there is things. Yeah, either do it or don't like. It's kind of done half assed. It is. Sure.
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Speaker 3
But anyway, we're getting off topic general. General gripes and general excitements about this expansion. Right. The expansion is coming out tomorrow as per when this is well announced.
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Speaker 2
I don't know if it's launching, but. Yeah. Or is it you.
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Speaker 3
Know, it's it's being announced tomorrow. Okay. Oh yeah. It's being announced tomorrow as per when this is being recorded, when this comes out, it's already going to be well known to the public. So here are two reactions. Oh, my God, this sucks. This is not what we expected at all. And we're disappointed to play this. I can't believe for us it would ever think that this would be acceptable to launch.
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Speaker 3
Okay, reaction number two. Holy shit, this is going to be fucking huge. I need to get back on floors and download this expansion right now. Okay. Those are my two reactions. I have.
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Speaker 2
One.
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Speaker 3
Reaction. You have one reaction.
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Speaker 2
This is reasonable and I might play it and it looks kind of cool, but like it's kind of disappointing.
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Speaker 3
I bet you that's going to be the one.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I bet I'm right. And I bet it's at that exact tone of voice.
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Speaker 3
Oh, probably, probably like that monotone. Like, yeah, it's fine.
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Speaker 2
Like, like pitcher, whatever the game is. And we'll see how wrong I am. The following show. We'll see how wrong I am.
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Speaker 3
Yeah.
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Speaker 2
What's decent park. It's okay. I wish they would have done blah blah blah. But like, I'm still glad they did it, blah blah blah. It's going to be okay. It's kind of fine. I give a 5.8 or a six out of ten. I think it'll be entertaining. I might play it. It's not going to keep me playing the game and there's still no progression.
00;16;23;17 - 00;16;43;06
Speaker 2
That's probably accurate, and that's me talking out of my caboose the exact same way I have for the past seven years. Honestly, right. Like it is. That's the trend. Every pretty much every single thing. The Hot Wheels PAC was very good, but it was very much like Horizon five and it looked really good. And you're like, Oh my God, this is going to be great.
00;16;43;06 - 00;16;57;22
Speaker 2
And then you started to play and you're like, It is just kind of the same disappointment that they just dressed up a little bit. Yeah, it's at first a little starting, but that's fun. I thought the Ryzen PAC was actually really good. I think the replayability isn't as good as the first Hot Wheels pack. Sorry.
00;16;57;23 - 00;16;58;04
Speaker 3
No.
00;16;58;27 - 00;17;01;26
Speaker 2
But it's okay.
00;17;01;26 - 00;17;02;08
Speaker 3
It's so.
00;17;02;08 - 00;17;03;26
Speaker 2
I would expect the same out of the rally pack.
00;17;04;01 - 00;17;32;23
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's still like the Hot Wheels one. It's still fun to go in and mess around and stuff like that. And, you know, drive around upside down or whatever it is. But like you said, the replayability just doesn't exist. Like Blizzard Mountain, like Storm Island, like Fortune Island. So I think yeah, I think this this next expansion is going to determine whether or not people genuinely stick with this game because this is going to be the last expansion.
00;17;33;06 - 00;17;33;27
Speaker 3
Keep in mind.
00;17;34;06 - 00;17;46;22
Speaker 2
This is the last big change to Horizon five really will say really like the last little big. I said it earlier, that kind of a defibrillator sort of thing where it's like, let's get a couple more people alive and back in the game.
00;17;46;22 - 00;17;47;01
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;17;47;08 - 00;17;50;25
Speaker 2
After this. Like, what other incentive are you going to have for people to tune in?
00;17;51;00 - 00;17;51;23
Speaker 3
Yeah, right.
00;17;51;28 - 00;17;53;10
Speaker 2
Like this is like anything.
00;17;53;11 - 00;17;58;11
Speaker 3
You're going to have that seasonal stuff where, oh, here's a new story or here's a new whatever. Here's this.
00;17;58;11 - 00;17;59;26
Speaker 2
Even then, it's just like, I don't, but.
00;17;59;26 - 00;18;05;04
Speaker 3
It doesn't, right? Oh, I know, but that's my point. It doesn't give you that, that jolt that yeah.
00;18;05;04 - 00;18;34;14
Speaker 2
This is the two expansions are the most important thing for this game. Yeah. So I would say after this we turn our attention to motorsport because to confirm from our last show. Yeah. It looks like the fall. Yeah. So it looks like a fall release. That seems to be the feeling. Shocked. Shocked like once again that we are correct in our predictions of like just taking in all the history of the past seven years and all the nonsense sort of stuff that we've been fed usually for release.
00;18;35;01 - 00;18;37;01
Speaker 2
Super disappointing. Yeah, whatever.
00;18;37;03 - 00;18;39;20
Speaker 3
Right over late October. Beginning of November.
00;18;40;01 - 00;18;49;23
Speaker 2
Yeah, it usually. So I think that's how it'll go though is this is kind of a last hurrah, which is crazy. This game was released in 2021 to think about it really is crazy.
00;18;50;00 - 00;19;06;27
Speaker 3
Oh yeah. Right. The fact that it's, you know, 2 to 2 months, we're two months into 2023 already and it's going to be out for two years. It doesn't feel old. It doesn't feel old, which I think is something that we have to credit Horizon five for because it doesn't.
00;19;07;02 - 00;19;13;15
Speaker 2
Well, see, no, it's not what I say. It's like I would say it doesn't feel old because nothing has happened in two years.
00;19;13;15 - 00;19;14;03
Speaker 3
That's fair.
00;19;14;12 - 00;19;33;26
Speaker 2
That's what I would say. Okay. I don't think it has anything to do with the merit or the playability or the long term playability of the game. I would just say fuck all has happened in the past two years. Motorsport has given us nothing to work with. Yeah, we know more about the game through little leaks and stuff like that than what has actually been announced, which is unacceptable for the past two years.
00;19;33;26 - 00;19;57;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, I get the whole COVID thing. Suck it. I understand. Right, fine. I know there's challenges with the whole motorsport thing right now. Whatever horizon, nothing has happened. It's just a little nonsense. And. Oh, Oriol Pagani, the bit. You should come on because it looks like an Oreo. It's like first of all, how would I hear about that as a casual player of the game?
00;19;57;05 - 00;20;02;00
Speaker 2
How the hell am I going to hear about like there's this whole Oreo thing that everybody's going nuts over, like whatever, right?
00;20;02;27 - 00;20;08;16
Speaker 3
And what makes that Pagani different than the regular one other than the fact that it's painted.
00;20;08;22 - 00;20;31;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, background knowledge. There's Oreo. I don't know, Oreo, not North America. It was doing some promotion where they were giving away DLC codes or like purchase or whatever. And you get like an in-game Pagani and it's like Oreo themed or whatever. It doesn't really matter for that in general. The page was giving them away. They gave like eight codes away to the world, which seems backwards and half assed and just stupid.
00;20;31;06 - 00;20;48;20
Speaker 2
If that is actually that desirable, it doesn't matter. It's still not going to get me to play the game. These are vanity things. Once again, every single goddamn show that we do, it's like, Yes, but why should it come back on? And also, how would I hear about this? How would I hear about all these different things that are happening in the game?
00;20;48;29 - 00;21;10;21
Speaker 2
If you really like, how the hell am I going to hear this expansion's coming out? I almost missed it. I've had Forza horizons notifications, like they're Twitter notifications. Yeah. For every single tweet for, I don't know, three or four years. And I missed that. I have not like I get every notification that whenever they do anything and I missed that there's this expansion tomorrow that should never happen.
00;21;10;29 - 00;21;12;16
Speaker 3
No. So no.
00;21;12;25 - 00;21;22;18
Speaker 2
That's I think, the biggest issue is like if you're going to try to get people to play this game, how are you sending that message out? There should almost be like an email list or something. I know it's kind of old school, but like.
00;21;23;05 - 00;21;27;02
Speaker 3
And honestly like YouTube still a platform to use.
00;21;27;24 - 00;21;35;02
Speaker 2
Yeah. To put out like a viral ish kind of video teaser like, yeah, what's wrong? And I put on another Jay Z song. Just roll with it, man.
00;21;35;02 - 00;21;41;27
Speaker 3
Like, do you even, even if it's like a five, 10/2 clip, if it's a five, 10 seconds, you already released the fact that I'm marking that.
00;21;41;27 - 00;21;43;16
Speaker 2
On my calendar immediately.
00;21;43;16 - 00;21;48;28
Speaker 3
Yeah, you released that. The Audi S1 Quattro is coming back. Use that car because you're not spoiling anything. I would.
00;21;48;28 - 00;21;49;11
Speaker 2
Be sick.
00;21;49;27 - 00;21;55;09
Speaker 3
Like, you know, use that car, have it sliding around a corner with.
00;21;55;17 - 00;21;58;05
Speaker 2
You on in the game as one Quattro is in the game.
00;21;58;08 - 00;22;00;23
Speaker 3
No, not yet. Huh? Sure. I know.
00;22;01;18 - 00;22;02;07
Speaker 2
It makes you think.
00;22;02;12 - 00;22;12;06
Speaker 3
But have that, have that sliding around a corner, you know, have the dude stepping out of it, lifting a trophy or something like that. Yeah. That's it.
00;22;12;19 - 00;22;18;07
Speaker 2
Yes. Something like that and yeah, that's it. Just have like kind of a quick cool song on in the background.
00;22;18;08 - 00;22;19;16
Speaker 3
Yeah, whatever, dude.
00;22;20;02 - 00;22;31;15
Speaker 2
It's really not that difficult. So, I don't know, we'll see. I think my earlier reaction of just kind of yeah, that'll probably be what it is. My prediction of a 5.8 out of ten remains, I think that's accurate.
00;22;31;26 - 00;22;33;07
Speaker 3
That's it for us and we'll do a review.
00;22;33;13 - 00;22;52;21
Speaker 2
We'll review show if we need it. But other than that. Oh, there is one little tidbit of force news. This is an interesting one. You guys might I don't know what you guys will think about this at home, but this is the headline. This is from Eurogamer Dot net. Hmm. Forza Horizon five Creative Director and several team members breakaway from Playground games.
00;22;52;21 - 00;23;02;09
Speaker 2
This is an old article. This is January 10th I heard about this month ago. So it sounds like the lead producer at Playground.
00;23;02;09 - 00;23;04;20
Speaker 3
Was it Mike Brown? Matt Brown, something.
00;23;04;23 - 00;23;08;02
Speaker 2
Not even close. Tom Butcher. Oh, I don't think there is anybody with that name.
00;23;08;03 - 00;23;08;23
Speaker 3
There is Michael.
00;23;08;23 - 00;23;09;08
Speaker 2
Brown, my.
00;23;09;08 - 00;23;10;10
Speaker 3
Creative director. Mike Brown.
00;23;11;04 - 00;23;36;20
Speaker 2
Never mind. I'm wrong. Okay, let's just cut that whole thing. I was reading that thing. Okay? So, all right, so hang on, let's just restart this whole thing, okay? So it's it's the Forza Horizon five creative director Mike Brown has basically, like, stepped away and created his own studio and he's brought a couple of people with him. So he took a lead producer, he took a technical director, he took a technical art director.
00;23;37;09 - 00;24;08;09
Speaker 2
He took an audio director. He took another art director. And I thought, I swear to God, there was something in there, like creative director sort of stuff, something like that. So that's massive. Sorry. Mike Brown is the creative director, the main guy. So that's massive because this game stinks. I think a lot of these guys like I mean, audio, halo audio has been a big pain point for a lot of people for a long time.
00;24;08;18 - 00;24;31;10
Speaker 2
So let's get everybody possible all in the audio department out, start fresh, start fresh because it sucks. Doesn't make any sense or doesn't sound accurate. They all sound like Buicks, so time to go. And I think the creative director, I mean, Jesus Christ, the creative direction in this game is a fucking nightmare right now. They got more SoCs than ever and horns and general nonsense, like, oh, my God.
00;24;31;25 - 00;24;51;17
Speaker 2
So it's time for a change there. So I know nothing about these people. I don't know if they listen to the show every day. I don't know anything about them other than they're in positions that if we're going to look at how they reflect on the game, not good right now. So I'm down for a change. It's very interesting.
00;24;51;27 - 00;25;00;24
Speaker 2
And given how important for us Horizon six is going to be for the viability of this franchise long term, I'm down for this. I just that's a really interesting point.
00;25;00;28 - 00;25;10;26
Speaker 3
Yeah. And again, with the fact that, like you said, the creative director. Yes. Has left to create his own studio, reportedly.
00;25;10;26 - 00;25;13;22
Speaker 2
It doesn't look like it's racing related, by the way, but yeah.
00;25;14;07 - 00;25;15;05
Speaker 3
What? His new studio.
00;25;15;06 - 00;25;20;11
Speaker 2
New studio doesn't look like it has anything to do with cars. So so it's not like there's another game being made here. Yeah. Yeah.
00;25;21;16 - 00;25;35;17
Speaker 3
But I think depending on who they get in as the new creative director and depending on what that creative director has worked on in the past, this game is going to go one of two ways. Yeah.
00;25;35;17 - 00;25;56;02
Speaker 2
Oh, it'll sink or swim. Yeah, yeah. No, no doubt in my mind it beckons the question if they'll into like internally promote somebody or if they're going to look for somebody elsewhere. I don't know what the solution is. I would hope from elsewhere because this game needs a shake up and need somebody is a brain. Yeah, like, let's be honest, it's none of this is hard.
00;25;56;04 - 00;26;13;24
Speaker 2
We won't we won't get that into it. We have next couple of shows we're going to really dove into, like, what is the problem? What is the god damn problem with this game? And we'll go over thing and it's one thing to complain, but it's another thing to offer solutions. And that's just what we're going to do. And we're going to put out a post.
00;26;13;24 - 00;26;20;13
Speaker 2
I'm going to get a couple of concerns, a couple comments, my ideas from you guys on Instagram. Yeah, because there has been some fantastic.
00;26;20;14 - 00;26;20;29
Speaker 3
There's going to be.
00;26;20;29 - 00;26;23;17
Speaker 2
Insight, community insight on our page.
00;26;23;17 - 00;26;25;22
Speaker 3
There's been a lot of really good. Very good.
00;26;25;26 - 00;26;39;21
Speaker 2
Oh yeah. The one little thing I'll tease the one guy who said customizing your race suit on Forza. How in the sweet hell has that never been added? Yeah. The amount of crap we can customize in this game and we can't do that.
00;26;40;00 - 00;26;42;20
Speaker 3
Oh, you want to change your socks from white to beige? Cool. Not a.
00;26;42;20 - 00;26;57;26
Speaker 2
Problem. You have to get a wheelspin. You have to wheelspin once and we'll give you eight pairs of socks. Yeah, but that's it. Oh, my God. Why can't we customize our motorsport or horizon? Doesn't make any sense. You should be able to add little like sponsors and stuff. You should be able to pick the race suit. You can win helmets.
00;26;57;26 - 00;27;09;18
Speaker 2
That one kind of makes sense. Like if you if you gives you something to work towards, maybe earn helmets or something, whatever, but like, why can't you customize it? Why not make any sense? So anyways, we'll, we'll discuss it.
00;27;09;20 - 00;27;25;12
Speaker 3
Then, then it'll be in a, in a later show. Yeah. But moving, moving away from the force of torque because we get into this very passionately and we would be here for two and a half hours. It's, it's time to take a turn into complaint corner.
00;27;25;13 - 00;27;26;22
Speaker 2
I got to complain about stuff you.
00;27;26;22 - 00;27;27;17
Speaker 3
Get to complain about.
00;27;27;17 - 00;27;29;20
Speaker 2
Oh, good. I complain the whole.
00;27;29;20 - 00;27;31;11
Speaker 3
Everything that we have just been complaining about.
00;27;31;11 - 00;27;32;01
Speaker 2
The show. Correct.
00;27;32;15 - 00;27;36;05
Speaker 3
What do we got this week for complaint corner know.
00;27;36;05 - 00;27;59;11
Speaker 2
It's it's an interesting one. I mean it's not food related, but it's not. Let's get that music on. There we go. Now it's human. Okay. Yeah. I can't stand when people badmouth the reliability of German cars and hear me out on this. Okay? Okay. It's a bit less heated because we're not talking food this time, but it drives me nuts when people will say to people, you know, if it's your first German car, are you trying to buy it?
00;27;59;25 - 00;28;22;19
Speaker 2
Oh, German cars are so unreliable or so expensive. Oh, it's just not worth it. Well, like, dude, honestly, it's a it's a group of people that do no no oil changes on their car, and then everything blows up all at once. And then they go on Reddit, and then they talk about how expensive it was to fix their BMW engine because they thought that doing a 20,000 mile service interval for their fluids was acceptable.
00;28;23;08 - 00;28;44;02
Speaker 2
And then you see this $40,000 repair bill that gets floated around on Reddit and all these different forums and everybody's like, Oh, German car is so expensive. It was like a bunch of idiots, right? When forums come out and like 2000 did this and now everybody thinks it's super expensive to fix German cars. It's not. There's like a ten, 15 year period where German cars have like no turbos.
00;28;44;02 - 00;29;02;25
Speaker 2
Basically all the nice ones had no turbos. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. My car, your car. So it's like, dude, all you have to do is keep up with fluids. I had no trouble with my the Cadillac SUV, the X that I have, which looks like a computer mouse, is far more unreliable than the Mercedes is. It has cost me double in ownership.
00;29;02;28 - 00;29;03;04
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;29;03;05 - 00;29;20;24
Speaker 2
Despite it being less than a sixth of the price of the Mercedes. Yeah. And it's cost me way more and it doesn't even take the premium. It's like, oh my God. So everybody either was going to buy the 60 c63 everybody was like, Oh, you shouldn't do it on reliable, expensive, maintain or no, because FCP euro shout out.
00;29;20;29 - 00;29;32;10
Speaker 2
I got basically all my parts for free under the free warranty program. So all my consumable parts oil, send my oil back to give me new oil for free. Hello. I'm doing that with Cadillac now by the way, I.
00;29;32;11 - 00;29;34;23
Speaker 3
Got so so.
00;29;35;01 - 00;29;54;00
Speaker 2
It's like, God, it's so stupid because there's so many ways around ownership, like cheap ownership for a German car and the more reliable and they're built better. Yeah. So it's just idiots who know nothing about it, who drive fucking and pick cars that drive like Honda Civics. It's like, Oh, my car is great. It's like, well, you have class seats and you have wind down windows, so I'm not listening to you at all.
00;29;54;04 - 00;29;55;28
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. It's like it's Oh my God.
00;29;56;07 - 00;29;56;20
Speaker 3
And oil.
00;29;56;22 - 00;30;00;04
Speaker 2
My blood, dude. It's just people who don't know anything about and it's people.
00;30;00;04 - 00;30;02;29
Speaker 3
Who've never owned it. Yeah, it's always, always the people who.
00;30;02;29 - 00;30;05;06
Speaker 2
Talk the most about German cars have never.
00;30;05;06 - 00;30;06;16
Speaker 3
Owned one, never owned a German in.
00;30;06;16 - 00;30;06;28
Speaker 2
Their entire.
00;30;06;28 - 00;30;08;18
Speaker 3
Life because they can't afford it. Exactly.
00;30;08;18 - 00;30;09;15
Speaker 2
And you have a BMW?
00;30;09;15 - 00;30;11;04
Speaker 3
I have a BMW. You don't have a fancy.
00;30;11;04 - 00;30;11;15
Speaker 2
Dancy.
00;30;11;15 - 00;30;23;28
Speaker 3
BMW. No, you have one. I have I have a BMW. It's it's the base model of the five series. And as soon as I bought that, everyone was like, don't buy a turbocharged BMW, you're going to have issues with it. The turbo is going to blow up. The engine's going to blow up. You're not going to make it.
00;30;23;28 - 00;30;24;18
Speaker 3
€40,000.
00;30;24;18 - 00;30;26;03
Speaker 2
Are concerned with any car?
00;30;26;07 - 00;30;37;11
Speaker 3
Yeah, any car doesn't matter. And I've had it for over a year now. It's been like a year and a half now. I've had one issue with it. And that was caused by a dealership?
00;30;37;26 - 00;30;39;15
Speaker 2
Yes, by a BMW certified.
00;30;39;17 - 00;30;47;00
Speaker 3
BMW certified dealer. I had one issue with it because they fucked up and they didn't, you know, clean my car properly and basically.
00;30;47;08 - 00;30;47;25
Speaker 2
An electronic.
00;30;48;04 - 00;30;49;19
Speaker 3
And electronic piece of my car.
00;30;49;20 - 00;30;57;26
Speaker 2
The last thing I'm going to add on this is no shit. Your service is going to be expensive. If you go to the dealer to do service.
00;30;57;26 - 00;30;58;23
Speaker 3
Obviously it doesn't matter.
00;30;58;23 - 00;31;15;24
Speaker 2
Wow. I imagine that if you go to the Mercedes dealer to do Mercedes service, it's going to be expensive. Half. Wow, I didn't think of that one dude Cadillac's ridiculous doing service at the dealer. It's outrageous. But if you are actually smart you have a decent mechanic or you're handy and you know how to do routine labor yourself.
00;31;15;24 - 00;31;16;22
Speaker 2
You can save a ton of money.
00;31;16;27 - 00;31;17;04
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;31;17;10 - 00;31;39;26
Speaker 2
So that's why the cost of ownership is so much lower for the Merc because it's the same stuff and less stuff goes wrong. More stuff goes. I've never had to do a repair on the Mercedes, knock on wood somewhere, but the Cadillac. I have. Yeah. And then routine service is about the same cost really. Actually the Merc is much cheaper now because they get everything for free.
00;31;40;03 - 00;31;41;24
Speaker 3
Yeah. But whatever.
00;31;42;03 - 00;31;55;28
Speaker 2
So anyways, that's my rant for this week. Drives me nuts when when people talk about that, there's so many uneducated opinions out there and it's fine if you don't know what you're talking about. But my God, so many people are missing out on like owning a German car. And by the way, Volkswagens are excluded from all of this.
00;31;55;28 - 00;32;07;11
Speaker 2
I do not enjoy Volkswagen very much. They're kind of a stinky car. I'm kind of a stinky car. So that's that might be one to maybe avoid. It's like kind of beat up Volkswagen's when yeah.
00;32;07;11 - 00;32;15;13
Speaker 3
When we say German cars we mean Audi BMW Mercedes Porsche is yeah. Like high end German cars. We're not talking about like even.
00;32;15;13 - 00;32;20;21
Speaker 2
Like a mercedes like base C-class. Do you like it? It's not be a load it up performance model but.
00;32;20;22 - 00;32;23;27
Speaker 3
No, no, I'm just I'm just saying like the higher end.
00;32;24;12 - 00;32;31;28
Speaker 2
But even even Audi, by the way, if I had to pick, I wouldn't pick Audi. Volkswagen parts are really expensive. It is really tricky to get around that.
00;32;31;29 - 00;32;36;27
Speaker 3
Yes, but I still like Audi's. Yeah, I have a soft spot for audi's but euro cars.
00;32;36;27 - 00;32;42;03
Speaker 2
I should honestly include this brand to be like euro cars because I would include Volvo in that I quite like.
00;32;42;03 - 00;32;51;08
Speaker 3
Oh yes I knew. These are very nice. And even like they're owned by Fiat Chrysler but Alfa, they operate pretty independently.
00;32;51;08 - 00;32;53;14
Speaker 2
Do they. They're pretty independent.
00;32;53;14 - 00;33;04;23
Speaker 3
They are like but they're still technically like if you look at their, you know, center consoles and stuff like that and you load up their touchscreens or whatever, it looks exactly the same as a Chrysler Pacifica.
00;33;05;24 - 00;33;08;05
Speaker 2
I don't like knowing that it's ruined it for me.
00;33;08;05 - 00;33;10;00
Speaker 3
Yeah. So I hate the Pacifica. Yeah.
00;33;10;09 - 00;33;14;27
Speaker 2
Stupid egg mobile anyways. Okay. Well, what do we got going on motor sport.
00;33;15;13 - 00;33;16;17
Speaker 3
Motorsport wise for?
00;33;16;21 - 00;33;19;02
Speaker 2
We keep saying motorsport like motorsport.
00;33;19;04 - 00;33;22;20
Speaker 3
Motorsport. I keep doing S-H.
00;33;23;20 - 00;33;31;03
Speaker 2
Talking like I got peanut butter in the roof of my mouth. Okay, what is going on in mode? What is going on in the world of motorsport right now?
00;33;31;07 - 00;33;38;14
Speaker 3
So first point and you mentioned this to me, I had no idea this was even happening was NASCAR and Lamont.
00;33;38;21 - 00;34;04;15
Speaker 2
Ooh, yes, yes, yes. I don't know if you you how I've dropped my phone. God damn it. Okay, listen, listen. So I don't know if you folks at home would have heard this, but you definitely heard the phone drop. I don't know if you would have heard the news. So so listen. So, yeah, basically what's happened here is NASCAR has entered a bid and to my mom's.
00;34;04;22 - 00;34;14;07
Speaker 2
Yes. And they're gonna be running the full 24 hours with a NASCAR, like a NASCAR Cup series car. Yeah. And they've added headlights and all the necessary stuff.
00;34;14;07 - 00;34;14;14
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;34;14;14 - 00;34;32;04
Speaker 2
The necessary things. Yeah. But it's going to compete in its own class. So I think they call it class 56 or something like that. I don't know what the hell it's called, but it doesn't directly compete with anybody else. It just sort of competes as an exhibition or a test sort of car, I guess, or spectator or something.
00;34;32;17 - 00;34;46;27
Speaker 2
So I think unofficially they'll kind of run it as like an overall like thing in the standings and just see how goes. It reminds me a lot of the Nissan Delta wing, I don't know if you remember that project from years ago, reminds me a lot about that because it never really competed in the class, but it competed overall with everything else.
00;34;47;06 - 00;35;07;22
Speaker 2
It's actually a really good car towards the end, before they shut that program down, it was starting to do good. Yeah. So that's kind of the feeling with this and it was kind of designed to generate interest worldwide for NASCAR and to show it that it's not this country bumpkin car anymore. They've got independent suspension. They have everything that normal functioning cars have these days, fuel gauges.
00;35;07;22 - 00;35;21;20
Speaker 2
That's a big ad the world of NASCAR. They finally buildings like the seatbelts, I guess. So it's funny that like how often or like how long they went without a lot of these things. Like I don't think that a fuel gauge till 2017. Right something like that. They had nothing.
00;35;21;28 - 00;35;27;21
Speaker 3
I mean, how long has it been since they've been running the the five lug system and then they're like, oh, you should change the center logs.
00;35;27;21 - 00;35;28;13
Speaker 2
Yeah, they did.
00;35;28;13 - 00;35;30;12
Speaker 3
Central America lost their money.
00;35;30;13 - 00;35;45;02
Speaker 2
They did. A lot of people were mad and it didn't really make much sense because the center locks were great. But then what happened was they went to a lower profile tire and all the tires kept blowing up because Goodyear didn't do a good job engineering them in there. They did not. But then everybody was like, Oh, those damned center locks.
00;35;45;14 - 00;36;00;05
Speaker 2
It's like, No, it's not the center locks. It's because it's a low profile tire. You went from like an 18 inch tire wall to like just a normal people tire. And by the way, I don't know why they didn't go with Michelin. Michelin had the tank engineered. For how long now? Under the best.
00;36;00;05 - 00;36;01;00
Speaker 3
Years.
00;36;01;09 - 00;36;16;07
Speaker 2
You know what I mean? So. And then, funny enough, NASCAR owns IMSA. I'm seen a lot right now, but NASCAR owns IMSA, so I don't know why you wouldn't want to put those two together or at least give teams a choice and tire manufacturer to be very interesting.
00;36;16;07 - 00;36;17;27
Speaker 3
Or they're going to be very interesting.
00;36;17;27 - 00;36;37;03
Speaker 2
Old early 2000 F1 did that. It did not work out in the end, but it was very interesting for the time being because you had Bridgestone or Pirelli, I want to say. Yeah. Anyways, going back to this, it's designed to promote NASCAR. That's the whole point of this and to get people to understand that it's actually a really good series.
00;36;37;03 - 00;36;57;12
Speaker 2
It's not a country bumpkin series anymore. There are many, many road courses on the schedule this year that all of which are always fantastic. Circuit of the Americas is so much better. NASCAR than F1. And if you're a NASCAR, an F1 fan at home, hear me out on that. Because like last year's race at COTA was so much better for NASCAR, so wasn't even close.
00;36;57;12 - 00;37;00;27
Speaker 2
No. Three car battle for first for the last couple of laps.
00;37;00;27 - 00;37;02;00
Speaker 3
Yeah. And if you just.
00;37;02;00 - 00;37;02;11
Speaker 2
Look at.
00;37;02;16 - 00;37;14;09
Speaker 3
If you look at the track limits from F1 compared to NASCAR oh they are they are so beyond comparison like the track limits for NASCAR, as long as you're not in the wall, you're fine.
00;37;14;15 - 00;37;20;07
Speaker 2
Pretty well and you can just make contact with people whenever you want. Oh, somebody get spun out. It's like, Yeah, yeah. Where she goes, man, yeah.
00;37;20;13 - 00;37;20;29
Speaker 3
Like you.
00;37;20;29 - 00;37;22;11
Speaker 2
Could. Which is frustrating sometimes.
00;37;22;11 - 00;37;42;02
Speaker 3
But it is. You could be flying down that back straight and pit maneuver, someone doing, you know, 150, 200 miles an hour. And they'd be like, Oh, well, that sucks. You know, I guess they better get that turned around and back on the race. If if you blink at someone the wrong way in Formula One, you're like up 5/2 penalty.
00;37;42;02 - 00;37;42;11
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;37;42;11 - 00;37;54;25
Speaker 2
It's like, oh, that was intent to injure, right? Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's nuts that way. But I think it's a very good exhibition for NASCAR. Although the livery sucks, it's ugly.
00;37;54;25 - 00;37;57;02
Speaker 3
I really hope they change it to the driver.
00;37;57;08 - 00;38;07;02
Speaker 2
It's bad. It's like this all over with this stupid blue. Yeah. It's like, not a nice blue, too. It's like a it's like a Tums blue. Yeah.
00;38;07;10 - 00;38;15;03
Speaker 3
I was going to say it's it's like the the blue from the stock like production series Camaro got watered down.
00;38;15;03 - 00;38;20;28
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's like a very medical looking blue. Yeah, it's weird. And then they got that weird gold, these sort of.
00;38;21;08 - 00;38;21;25
Speaker 3
The bronze.
00;38;22;07 - 00;38;22;21
Speaker 2
Ones on.
00;38;23;01 - 00;38;33;28
Speaker 3
This goldfish beige thing. Whatever they have, it looks beige. I, i like the idea of having a gold accent on that car, but not with the blue. Yeah, with the silver.
00;38;33;29 - 00;38;36;25
Speaker 2
And it's not really like gold. Do you like a gold foil?
00;38;37;01 - 00;38;47;02
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, that would be. What would that was that blank plane Lamborghini of my Lamborghini. Miami guy auto squad, of course.
00;38;47;08 - 00;38;47;21
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;38;47;23 - 00;38;49;18
Speaker 3
That one was like foil gold.
00;38;49;18 - 00;38;52;10
Speaker 2
Yeah, it was like the last year. The Gallardo the one.
00;38;52;15 - 00;38;53;01
Speaker 3
I really like.
00;38;53;21 - 00;38;54;17
Speaker 2
The team was NASCAR.
00;38;54;18 - 00;38;54;24
Speaker 3
Was.
00;38;55;05 - 00;39;10;03
Speaker 2
That was reduced to the hold car reflective gold chrome it is unreal unreal but like I mean but it's a Chevy Camaro, right? So like and that's their color is gold. So if you just add gold, black and white. Yeah, that's a nasty car.
00;39;10;10 - 00;39;12;23
Speaker 3
Imagine. It's a really nice the the.
00;39;12;23 - 00;39;17;26
Speaker 2
A no no imagine going down the whatever the loss path trader of the house yelled at right.
00;39;17;26 - 00;39;28;22
Speaker 3
Fucking 2:00 in the morning in a prototype car and this bright gold chrome Camaro pulls out in front of you and you get blinded because it just reflects back to you.
00;39;28;22 - 00;39;41;29
Speaker 2
Well, everybody, all the prototype car is going to be passing it. So imagine they're just like they have to turn their headlights off to around this think, oh my God, I'm blind. So maybe that's one adjustment is they'll have to make the back of it a different color. But honestly, what is so wrong?
00;39;41;29 - 00;39;46;13
Speaker 3
I don't know. I mean, that that could be a good competitive advantage for that Camaro if it was blind.
00;39;46;13 - 00;39;54;19
Speaker 2
Everybody just crashes behind you all the time while they're really having trouble. That corner about there? Yeah, it's the weirdest thing. The Acura prototype just went straight into the wall.
00;39;55;00 - 00;39;56;28
Speaker 3
Didn't even do you didn't even brake.
00;39;56;28 - 00;39;57;19
Speaker 2
It was weird.
00;39;57;28 - 00;40;01;06
Speaker 3
Coming up to the second chicane, the acura's still coming. Oh, God.
00;40;01;29 - 00;40;02;06
Speaker 2
Yeah.
00;40;02;07 - 00;40;03;01
Speaker 3
Use the brakes.
00;40;03;01 - 00;40;13;20
Speaker 2
A lot of missed apexes with that car, but the livery sucks. They got to change it. I hope they do. They've said it's their final. I did. Look up. They said that's the library they're going with and it sucks. It is.
00;40;14;01 - 00;40;14;25
Speaker 3
It it's.
00;40;15;05 - 00;40;32;25
Speaker 2
I don't know why you don't do a rainbow car like all in NASCAR's colors, like they've done that before for their pace car stuff. And it's like sick in that cop car. By the way, you've got Mike Rockefeller, who you might remember from Corvette Law. So he raced in the last 2004 it thousand five 2007 all the way to 2012, 2018.
00;40;32;25 - 00;40;57;10
Speaker 2
Till now, teams like Audi Ghost or whatever you want to say that he's won best finish overall once 2010 I believe with Corvette I'd have to look that up. But he's got two class wins and I mean, he raced the C7 Corvette as well. Then you've got your Jimmy Johnson. The boy. The boy, he will be in the car and none other then.
00;40;57;18 - 00;41;09;20
Speaker 2
And this is an interesting one and I wish I would have led with it because I feel like a goddamn idiot. Oh, Jenson Button. Oh, really? Yeah. Very, very, very interesting. In that car. He's going to be in a NASCAR cup car.
00;41;10;00 - 00;41;10;14
Speaker 3
Yes.
00;41;10;14 - 00;41;19;00
Speaker 2
Oh, very interesting. So you have Jimmie Johnson, possibly the best NASCAR driver of all time, very much in the top two.
00;41;19;00 - 00;41;19;15
Speaker 3
Most of the time.
00;41;19;20 - 00;41;36;21
Speaker 2
He's the most decorated NASCAR driver of all time. That's a guarantee. Yeah. You've got Jenson Button, who's a very underrated driver, Formula One world champion. Right. Incredible driver. And you've got Mike Rockefeller, who is honestly a very, very solid, well-established endurance racer.
00;41;36;26 - 00;41;39;26
Speaker 3
Yeah. And the thing is, with with Rockefeller, he's.
00;41;40;04 - 00;41;41;18
Speaker 2
He's got a strong GM background.
00;41;41;18 - 00;41;50;22
Speaker 3
He does. He's got a strong GM background. He's done NASCAR. So he's used to the cars so he understands how the cars themselves handle. He's done DTM.
00;41;51;09 - 00;41;52;19
Speaker 2
With the DTM. That's right.
00;41;53;02 - 00;41;55;17
Speaker 3
Because DTM was was big because that's a front wheel.
00;41;55;17 - 00;41;57;26
Speaker 2
Drive school down to. Right. Like real DTM.
00;41;57;26 - 00;42;12;17
Speaker 3
Yeah, real DTM. Not not this new stuff. And he also did IMSA like the Sebring, the Daytona, the the endurance racing. So he's he's got it all. I think he's, you know, he's going to be a strong player in this, uh, in this race for sure.
00;42;12;17 - 00;42;29;01
Speaker 2
That'll be interesting, man. That would be interesting. Yeah. So keep an eye out on that. We'll probably post the progresses that comes up. I forget when the races merge or no, it's like in the summer or something. I don't know, I, I don't know what the race is. I just always know a couple of weeks before because maybe for us I can take some tips on how to promote an event because the longest is a pretty good job.
00;42;29;07 - 00;42;30;02
Speaker 3
Almost has a really good.
00;42;30;02 - 00;42;40;12
Speaker 2
Time. When that gets closer will definitely be talking about that a lot more because that is going to be a very, very important race this year with all of the changes that is happening in the world of endurance racing to begin with.
00;42;40;14 - 00;42;42;05
Speaker 3
Especially since that Cadillac's going to be there.
00;42;43;06 - 00;43;07;13
Speaker 2
And they've got Villeneuve. Oh, he is racing at the top level and Phil Wack, no way with the Van War or whatever, whatever the fuck the team is that's having legal troubles right now with the name Ben Wall. Sorry. Okay. So he's racing with Van Wall, which is at the top level and he signed on for a full season.
00;43;08;07 - 00;43;24;18
Speaker 2
So he is not doing just bits and pieces. I believe he is there every single race and he's 51. Yeah. So that's awesome. I'm very down to see him in there and he's aggressive as shit. Dude. Like he's got that NASCAR in him now, so it'll be interesting to see, right? Look, I mean, you got him doing that.
00;43;24;18 - 00;43;42;04
Speaker 2
You got Jenson Button doing a one off. Jimmie Johnson is back part time in NASCAR galore. A lot of guys coming back. I want to see a one, Juan Pablo Montoya come back and I don't even know what he's doing this year. I don't even know if he's still racing. I have no clue. I would love to see Mr. Fernando maybe hop into a car for a one off if schedule permits.
00;43;42;04 - 00;43;43;03
Speaker 2
I don't know if that would.
00;43;43;07 - 00;43;44;00
Speaker 3
That would be.
00;43;44;10 - 00;43;54;13
Speaker 2
I know he's he's racing right now so maybe a little Sebastian Vettel maybe a little said that'll get him into the new Porsche.
00;43;54;14 - 00;43;57;02
Speaker 3
Mm hmm. I would honestly.
00;43;57;02 - 00;44;01;14
Speaker 2
If I was nobody talking about that it gets a Vettel in an insurance car. Yeah.
00;44;01;14 - 00;44;03;01
Speaker 3
It was in the 96 three. Yeah.
00;44;03;01 - 00;44;08;11
Speaker 2
Or a one off for like a round of the future championship. Yeah. Or 12 hours of Sebring.
00;44;08;16 - 00;44;09;23
Speaker 3
Yeah. Right. Oh yeah.
00;44;10;08 - 00;44;17;26
Speaker 2
He would love that he'd do this a German driver, he would love that and I don't really think he's done a lot of that. And those guys always eat that up, man. They always wanted to do it after.
00;44;18;04 - 00;44;26;10
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like after retirement from, from something like Formula One. If you give them a call and you're like, Hey, do you want to get back behind the wheel for something? You don't even have to tell them what it is.
00;44;26;10 - 00;44;43;02
Speaker 2
He might pull a Raikkonen like last year and run a race at NASCAR. You could see him doing that too big time because that program's supposed to be huge and they got a lot of calls. I guess. Who's the motorbike guy? Superbikes Rossi. Valentino Rossi. Yeah.
00;44;43;12 - 00;44;45;00
Speaker 3
Right, right. I don't.
00;44;45;00 - 00;45;05;16
Speaker 2
Know. Valentino Rossi. These are the best motorbike guys ever. Okay, I know. I don't know much about it, but he's supposed to have high interest in racing a NASCAR race next year. Wow. He's fantastic. Okay, that'll be. And he wants to race for UEC, so he's like, I don't even know how to compare him, dude. He's like the Wayne Gretzky of, like, motorbikes.
00;45;05;25 - 00;45;06;03
Speaker 2
Hm.
00;45;06;13 - 00;45;22;01
Speaker 3
Well, okay. Yes, that's that's all moving on from from NASCAR and from Lamar and stuff like this kind of moving towards Formula One. The new 2023 liveries have been announced.
00;45;22;01 - 00;45;23;24
Speaker 2
Yes, we're all wrapped up now.
00;45;23;24 - 00;45;32;06
Speaker 3
Yes. What is your favorite? Because I know what the world's favorite is.
00;45;32;24 - 00;45;37;25
Speaker 2
You know the world. I don't know what the world's favorite is. Um, I would say the Aston is the best.
00;45;38;15 - 00;45;39;02
Speaker 3
Really?
00;45;39;02 - 00;45;54;16
Speaker 2
Yeah, I would say the asked, like, if you're going to it's very similar last year and people like Jason, you're an idiot. Okay? They change the paint to like a true metallic paint. Beautiful, right. Is largely the same one, so it's not as much of like an wow factor. Um, I would say Aston's is the best at face value.
00;45;54;16 - 00;46;16;12
Speaker 2
That's the best livery on the grid. It's beautiful. Okay. Okay. Um, best and most welcome change. I'm really starting to love the Alfa Romeo, Red and black with the elimination. The White. It's just their last minute. Beautiful man. It was really nice. Yeah, but the new one, it just looks mean. Dude, I think the world's favorite, I would have to guess, is the Mercedes.
00;46;16;12 - 00;46;17;25
Speaker 2
It's just a black car.
00;46;17;25 - 00;46;19;28
Speaker 3
Yes, well, it is sick.
00;46;20;00 - 00;46;21;05
Speaker 2
It is really sick.
00;46;21;05 - 00;46;32;09
Speaker 3
So one of the things with Mercedes and one of the reasons why people are losing their mind about the Mercedes is because it's. There's so little paint on it. Yeah. And that takes away a lot of weight.
00;46;33;07 - 00;46;39;08
Speaker 2
Yeah. And that's what, I'm not sure about. Yeah. I don't know how much that'll help.
00;46;39;21 - 00;46;40;02
Speaker 3
Yeah.
00;46;40;12 - 00;46;47;13
Speaker 2
And I don't know when Formula One steps in because why wouldn't everybody else just do it. Because that's what Alfa is trying to do. That's why they want to block, right?
00;46;47;19 - 00;46;48;07
Speaker 3
Like, right. Yeah.
00;46;48;18 - 00;47;05;18
Speaker 2
But like how much does it like I know teams say it helps enough, especially when it comes down to quality and stuff like that. That's kind of where it makes the most impact. But I mean, when does Formula One step up and say, well, we're going to have a balance of power for the amount of paint that you have on your car?
00;47;06;01 - 00;47;20;15
Speaker 2
Slash You have to have your entire paint on like your car has to be painted. Yeah, because it's Formula One, dude. Eventually holes get patched. Happens all the time. So if you have this boring, monotonous feel, the black cars sponsors are going to be pissed, everyone's going to be pissed and then they're just going to stop doing it.
00;47;20;18 - 00;47;20;27
Speaker 3
Yep.
00;47;21;21 - 00;47;38;28
Speaker 2
So we'll see. I don't know. I don't know if there's a big difference before the season starts. I could totally see F1 stepping in. There's no reason they can't at any point in the year and just say yeah, if the paint and paint on the car. I don't think rules and regs wise, I don't see a reason why they couldn't just step in.
00;47;39;12 - 00;48;03;17
Speaker 2
You've also got McLaren, which has had like a bunch of concerns, a bunch of stuff in the news confirming that they're going to be in way more trouble this year. The overall feeling is it's it's not McLaren doesn't have the most confidence going into the season on where their car is going to be, which I mean compared to Aston Martin who is saying, oh, like we think we're going to break free of the midfield and all the stuff and be compatible, are battling in the top four.
00;48;03;26 - 00;48;15;25
Speaker 2
Like, okay, that's completely two different narratives. So I would be thinking Aston will be where McLaren wanted to be. I think Aston will be battling for third overall in the constructors.
00;48;16;08 - 00;48;31;10
Speaker 3
If they're going to be digging for that top spot, because if they're that good during the season, they're going to want to push for that second or third top spot, which we both know isn't going to happen, especially with Red Bull and Mercedes now.
00;48;31;10 - 00;48;35;04
Speaker 2
And even what the hell's the other one right now that people are Ferrari is going to be pretty.
00;48;35;05 - 00;48;57;28
Speaker 3
Ferrari. Yeah obviously. But so if they're going to be battling for third, they're going to be most likely battling between Red Bull, Mercedes or Ferrari. Those are going to be the three teams that Aston is going to be going after. Right? Right, right. So driver wise, who do you think? Like Lewis Hamilton obviously is an extremely skilled driver.
00;48;57;28 - 00;49;03;29
Speaker 3
Yeah. Max Verstappen has taken two world titles now.
00;49;04;10 - 00;49;04;21
Speaker 2
Right.
00;49;05;02 - 00;49;14;00
Speaker 3
So Aston Martin is able to compete with those three. What driver do you think is going to have the best chance?
00;49;14;01 - 00;49;15;25
Speaker 2
Alonso. Alonso, no question.
00;49;15;29 - 00;49;16;10
Speaker 3
Okay.
00;49;16;11 - 00;49;50;10
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's not even close. Lance won't be anywhere in that fight. Although he's okay. I think it'll be Mr. Senor Fernando. Yes, it just that's. That's who their number one is going to be. He bring stability to the team. He's kind of the perfect amount of, like, scrappy as well. Like he should suit the car. Well, for how they're developing it as my feeling, which is a goddamn shame because I wish they would have done this when Seb was there, for God's sake, because I think they would have a better go at this than Fernando.
00;49;50;16 - 00;50;06;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, they're both good, but like you can see you saw towards the end of last year. So that was battling dude. Like he was like in well in the top ten for many races and it was like, oh, my engine blew up and like, oh, like the guy would be like he led a couple ops+ year I think, right.
00;50;06;05 - 00;50;16;28
Speaker 2
Yeah. And it was like everything was coming up. Millhouse He was looking great as well. My tires fell off. You're like, oh like there was like a bad pitstop decision stupid. Their team principal.
00;50;17;16 - 00;50;17;26
Speaker 3
Stay.
00;50;18;03 - 00;50;22;18
Speaker 2
They always say no stupid Mr. Team Principal's name is Mike Crack.
00;50;23;12 - 00;50;24;10
Speaker 3
Oh, yes, yes.
00;50;24;10 - 00;50;40;16
Speaker 2
And he's actually supposed to be okay, but I don't know. Every once in a while they just make stupid decisions. So anyways I think Aston is going to be one heck of a team. I think McLaren's going to continue to be a disappointment. I don't much care for McLaren anyway, so it's really not that big of a deal for me.
00;50;40;16 - 00;50;41;27
Speaker 2
I know you kind of like McLaren.
00;50;42;02 - 00;50;51;29
Speaker 3
I like McLaren as a company. I, I as much as I enjoy McLaren as a formula One team, I don't really care.
00;50;51;29 - 00;50;58;17
Speaker 2
I'm very indifferent. I don't know, I just I'm the same way. I'm kind of indifferent with their F1 program. Yes, typically. Yeah.
00;50;58;18 - 00;51;03;19
Speaker 3
I like them as a as a as an automotive manufacturer, which I know has nothing. Oh, I quite like.
00;51;03;19 - 00;51;12;06
Speaker 2
I quite like. Yeah. Yes, very nice. I the P1 was what really won me over. It's one of my favorite cars ever. It's just perfect. That's fair. So anyways.
00;51;12;14 - 00;51;15;17
Speaker 3
We're going to get into our favorite segment.
00;51;15;18 - 00;51;17;05
Speaker 2
Oh, yes. Oh, it's your turn this week.
00;51;17;05 - 00;51;17;24
Speaker 3
It is my turn.
00;51;17;24 - 00;51;19;07
Speaker 2
This is your turn this week for the segment.
00;51;19;07 - 00;51;21;20
Speaker 3
Yes, and it is. Cue the music.
00;51;21;22 - 00;51;23;11
Speaker 2
Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm. What is the segment?
00;51;23;19 - 00;51;24;02
Speaker 3
Fuck that.
00;51;24;02 - 00;51;29;07
Speaker 2
Can't if to say the full thing like the segment. Welcome to the.
00;51;29;11 - 00;51;32;22
Speaker 3
Welcome to the segment of Fuck that.
00;51;32;22 - 00;51;34;09
Speaker 2
Car. There you go. Okay.
00;51;34;23 - 00;51;38;23
Speaker 3
And this week's car is the Ford Maverick.
00;51;38;23 - 00;51;44;22
Speaker 2
Mm. I really hate the Ford maverick. Stinky. The small, the small, the the.
00;51;44;22 - 00;51;45;25
Speaker 3
The shoe truck.
00;51;47;07 - 00;51;48;06
Speaker 2
It looks like a slipper.
00;51;48;06 - 00;51;55;15
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like, you know, you go to Walmart and you're like, hmm, I need a slipper that I can use. And this one's made of rubber, so. Perfect.
00;51;55;15 - 00;51;58;23
Speaker 2
Yeah, it looks like one of those stupid slippers with the rubber soul on it.
00;51;58;27 - 00;52;09;27
Speaker 3
I feel this is a car that is similar to the Mercedes egg. It's not actually called the E-Class. But the reason.
00;52;09;27 - 00;52;10;11
Speaker 2
Eggs.
00;52;10;16 - 00;52;24;12
Speaker 3
Eggs, the reason why I have an issue with these two cars and specifically why we're focusing on the Ford maverick. You know, you put a La-Z-Boy in the back of a maverick and your fuel economy goes from reasonable to absolutely awful.
00;52;24;13 - 00;52;29;10
Speaker 2
Yes, dude, it has like a power wheels engine in the front of it. Yeah.
00;52;29;27 - 00;52;32;10
Speaker 3
It's a little Tikes truck. Yes, it's terrible.
00;52;32;19 - 00;52;35;00
Speaker 2
And it has no towing capacity.
00;52;35;00 - 00;52;35;22
Speaker 3
No, it.
00;52;35;22 - 00;52;37;22
Speaker 2
Has no hauling capacity.
00;52;37;22 - 00;52;38;01
Speaker 3
No.
00;52;38;06 - 00;52;40;16
Speaker 2
Or whatever. Like when you write, the minute you.
00;52;40;16 - 00;52;54;06
Speaker 3
Post about it, it's not a body on frame, it's a unibody. And that's why. That's what's so terrible. Yeah, like, I understand that you're trying to make something small and something fuel efficient and you're like, Oh, okay, well, this is a truck for the city person. City people don't want.
00;52;54;14 - 00;52;57;22
Speaker 2
People to watch trucks. So city people do want trucks. They want the big one.
00;52;58;00 - 00;53;10;29
Speaker 3
Yes. If a city person wants a truck, they're going to buy an F-350 real truck and they're going to lift the shit out of it just because they can. Are they ever going to take it off road? No. Are they were going to tow with it? No. Because now the towing hitch is six feet in the air. Yes.
00;53;11;01 - 00;53;19;20
Speaker 3
They're not going to tow with it. They're going to they're going to buy a Ford maverick and they'll give be like, oh, it's a truck for a city person. No, it's a truck for fucking millennials that don't know what they want in life.
00;53;19;20 - 00;53;21;03
Speaker 2
Yes, this is.
00;53;21;05 - 00;53;28;09
Speaker 3
An award for the 65 year old person. Who's to say I want to buy trucks. I remember back in the day, you know, a.
00;53;28;09 - 00;53;38;26
Speaker 2
Little special is people are going to lease it for their business and then throw it away. I think that's pretty much it. But like it's kind of a for a car because nobody really knows who it's for. No. Who is the car for.
00;53;39;01 - 00;53;44;17
Speaker 3
Yeah. I honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that was a if that was a DLC car in the next.
00;53;45;02 - 00;53;47;03
Speaker 2
I had four zombies I would vomit.
00;53;47;03 - 00;53;49;24
Speaker 3
Imagine that car. Ford. Ford, Maverick XL T.
00;53;49;25 - 00;53;55;02
Speaker 2
No, thank you dude. I cannot. It's terrible and it's ugly. Tedious.
00;53;55;03 - 00;54;15;13
Speaker 3
It is not a good looking truck. Horrific. And I think what frustrates me is, first of all, the Ford maverick name was a muscle car. Like if you if you bought a maverick back in the seventies, you were buying something that you would actually go out and enjoy. And now they're like, Oh, yeah, Ford, Maverick. We're going to bring back the name Maverick.
00;54;15;13 - 00;54;30;14
Speaker 3
And the thing that pissed me off is when they first released it, they didn't tell them or they didn't tell the public what they were releasing. They just said, We're bringing back the maverick name and everyone lost it. They're like, Holy shit, this is exciting. And they're like, Yeah, we're going to put it on a small unibody pickup truck that competes with the Hyundai Santa Cruz.
00;54;31;03 - 00;54;34;26
Speaker 3
And now you want to take a swim in the lake.
00;54;35;28 - 00;54;37;06
Speaker 2
And swim in the.
00;54;37;06 - 00;54;45;02
Speaker 3
Lady. Swim in the lake? Oh, yeah. Is there ice above me? Perfect. This is when I want to swim. Yeah, I don't want to surface. I hate.
00;54;45;02 - 00;54;45;14
Speaker 2
That car.
00;54;45;27 - 00;54;46;15
Speaker 3
Yes, I.
00;54;46;15 - 00;54;50;09
Speaker 2
Quite like that car. Yeah, yeah. I do not like the stupid Ford maverick.
00;54;50;09 - 00;54;55;11
Speaker 3
Stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks. I think that's it.
00;54;55;11 - 00;54;57;29
Speaker 2
That's it. What I hope doesn't stink. Is that DLC?
00;54;58;09 - 00;55;06;19
Speaker 3
Yes, that's very true. I hope that's enjoyable. I know it's going to be enjoyable to a point, but again, it's that we'll see.
00;55;06;19 - 00;55;07;27
Speaker 2
I think my take will be right.
00;55;08;06 - 00;55;08;20
Speaker 3
I think so.
00;55;08;26 - 00;55;27;07
Speaker 2
I think my take will be right. I don't think it'll be any of the two extremes. I can't see being that bad. If it's if it's rally based, it should be all right. But if not, I don't know. If not, we'll have a whole other show being like, we're stupid. I just can't see that happening. I think we've pretty much nailed it.
00;55;27;16 - 00;55;35;19
Speaker 2
So we'll see. We'll post it posted more info about it. Keep an eye out in the pages as. Usual. We'll have some fun stuff coming on YouTube.
00;55;35;19 - 00;55;37;01
Speaker 3
Now we are on YouTube.
00;55;37;01 - 00;55;49;05
Speaker 2
We have no video of anything, but if you want to listen to the podcast on a different platform, we are on YouTube. We will eventually have some more videos coming. We still have our IMSA video from the summer that will actually be on there, but that's a pain in the butt. Yeah, it's a lot.
00;55;49;05 - 00;55;50;29
Speaker 3
Of editing to go through and grab editing.
00;55;51;02 - 00;56;10;16
Speaker 2
Oh, really fun trip though. But that channel exists. Look out on TikTok. You can follow us on everything. Everything that you can think of. We are at for the world. So, yes, check it out. TikTok. Facebook, YouTube, we are on all of it. Expect to see some more reels, more fun, little things, some tiktoks, the YouTube shorts, whatever the hell that is.
00;56;10;16 - 00;56;11;20
Speaker 2
I guess that's the thing. Now.
00;56;11;20 - 00;56;14;24
Speaker 3
It's basically just TikTok. It's sort of different like that.
00;56;14;24 - 00;56;20;26
Speaker 2
So yeah, anyways, will be on that kind of thing doing our our diesel. We've been listening to Snoop Dogg.
00;56;20;27 - 00;56;21;23
Speaker 3
I can tell that.
00;56;22;05 - 00;56;24;22
Speaker 2
Why is there no Snoop Dogg in Forza?
00;56;25;13 - 00;56;29;02
Speaker 3
Because the creators at playground games don't have taste.
00;56;29;12 - 00;56;35;22
Speaker 2
It's true. All the rap stations we've ever had been trash. So I've never liked, like to rap songs ever.
00;56;35;27 - 00;56;39;17
Speaker 3
Yeah, I don't know. It was the one Kendrick song. One was like, okay, cool, you got Kendrick.
00;56;39;19 - 00;56;51;26
Speaker 2
But it's not like. It's like you really just to get him. It wasn't like a good song of his. No, I'm Mad City. Oh, yeah, I'm driving around of that. Do any of that? Do some old school, get some Wu-Tang. You get some Wu-Tang going. Yeah.
00;56;52;01 - 00;56;52;21
Speaker 3
Smith and Wesson.
00;56;53;03 - 00;57;06;10
Speaker 2
Smith from Wesson some nice yeah some Redman might be a bit much for Pratt man might be a bit much, but yeah, man, I don't know. Maybe we'll do a show, dad. Radio stations and what we. What we'd like.
00;57;06;13 - 00;57;08;29
Speaker 3
What, what music we should be in. Yes, we.
00;57;08;29 - 00;57;17;21
Speaker 2
Can make a post for that but anyways. Well I mean, hey, episode 13 Lucky Number 13 for the World Podcast. It's been a good one.
00;57;17;26 - 00;57;22;15
Speaker 3
It has been a good one. Thank you very much for joining. Thank you for listening and we will see you next time.
00;57;22;20 - 00;57;41;12
Speaker 1
A lot of kids in the their but they had no taste since it was like what now? Was that the case? I have to have them like in my head with them. It's like kryptonite and Superman. So she'd come in with the sugar cuts. 5.15.75 My 5.75.