Is Forza Good Again Because Someone Quit? Barbie, IMSA Recap

Get out the tin foil hats, because we have some baseless conspiracy theories for you! Forza Horizon has had a wild hot streak of great updates, and it almost perfectly coincides with the former Playground Games Creative Director leaving the company. Do we have any evidence there's a connection? Nope. Does it line up? Yep, it lines up way too well. Regardless, we still touch on the hottest topic in Forza right now, the Barbie Movie partnership and the corresponding giveaways and heavier-than-expected attention it's getting from official accounts. Jason makes an excellent point about the negatives that come with the Barbie partnership, and it might not be a point you have considered. We also recap yet another incredible year watching IMSA at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park (thank you Sam Fellows🐐), we talk Koenigsegg Gemera, and Jason has a spirited Complaint Corner. For the F*** that car segment, it's a car that has only existed a couple of days, and it's a Lamborghini V12. You don't want to miss this heater of an episode - enjoy!

22:13 Forza Creative Director Quits... Is that why the game is getting better?
26:03 Barbie Debate
33:24 Complaint Corner
45:49 F*** That Car

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• 22:13 Forza Creative Director Quits, Conspiracy Theory
• 26:03 Barbie Debate
• 33:24 Complaint Corner
• 45:49 F*** That Car

Transcript

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Speaker 1
Know. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Fourth World Podcast.

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Speaker 2
Outdoor episode, outdoor episode.

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Speaker 1
Hot. It's, it's humid as fuck. It's it smelt like you said this earlier smells like campfire.

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Speaker 2
It does then Quebec wildfires. It does reek though. I got it. Yes it's a 24 seven campfire. It's muggy, it's hot. Aaron wearing a sweater and pants. It's like basically the Moroccan GP right here. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1
It is hot. I, I don't know. I just. I find that, like, I can deal with heat, whatever I'm wearing. But whatever I got, I got a cold drink.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
I got some Mike's hard red freeze. Uh, Jason just cracking open a Budweiser. It's like an absolute muppet.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's not great, but I wanted to be.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 2
The drink of choice right now, I think my drink of choice right now has got to be the Rancho Relaxer. Yes, yes, yes. I don't know where you are at home. Before we get into our glorious, glorious weekend at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park.

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Speaker 1
Fantastic.

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Speaker 2
Oh, my God. Ranch water.

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Speaker 1
Ranch water.

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Speaker 2
Like this tequila seltzer thing. Yeah. Dynamite. Yep. Oh, my God. It's like it takes all the bad parts of seltzer way. Gives a little zip, it's little flavor. You can't taste the tequila at all. It's so you can taste like tequila. You're a sicko, and you probably drink Perrier to get drunk. Probably it's. It's the best. I don't know.

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Speaker 2
So that was the drink of choice. I wish I had one of those right now, but I sadly downed 30 of them in short order.

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Speaker 1
Yes, but that's a weekend.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, that was dude. That was the weekend.

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Speaker 1
That was that was an unbelievable.

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Speaker 2
That's go let's get into that because this is you know, this is our yearly thing, our annual thing. We go down.

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Speaker 1
So this is this is what third this is the third year we've done it. The fourth.

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Speaker 2
Total.

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Speaker 1
I've done fourth total. You've done. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Third with a trailer.

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Speaker 1
Third with a trailer. This year we were inside turn eight.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. So if you know the track it's just coming off of a really long straightaway. Yeah. I don't even know how fast they're going through. There must be like 270 for the prototypes. It's got to be. Yeah. And it's just into like a relatively sharp right hander. So yeah, it's, it's a challenging, demanding corner.

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Speaker 1
It is. Yeah. You, you really have to slow down because there's, there's three very technical corners. It was a very good corner to camp out at, mainly because we saw two crashes.

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Speaker 2
Mm hmm. We saw a big Cadillac up slash got bumped into the grass. The car exploded. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Into the wall. Slammed into the wall. You and probably what you said. 230 ish, I heard.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, I was above 240 is what I heard. I'd like to see the telemetry on that, but.

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Speaker 1
Insane.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, crazy. The guy walked away right in front. The NBC cameras, obviously, you know, as you know, you know, of course, we're going to be on top of the trailer, of course. And every time the NBC camera comes by, we're going to lose our mind. Yeah, it was good. It was it was pretty good. Lot of drinks, a lot of good food, some burgers.

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Speaker 2
Got that Chick-Fil-A sauce going. Get sauce was dynamite.

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Speaker 1
Go to go to sauce for sure.

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Speaker 2
But yeah, we saw two crashes. The other one, well, technically there was three right all around us. We had that. We had the Aston Martin crash. And then there was another one, I think right around there. Right. That other is a Porsche one the one day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And then there was a Friday. I can't remember where that Lmp3 car crashed.

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Speaker 2
Bright spot.

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Speaker 1
Great spot, fantastic spot. We walked away with some goodies.

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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. If you saw her Instagram story, we. We. We have some things that we probably shouldn't have.

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Speaker 2
No, I don't understand how we got any of this. Let's. Let's go over the list. Okay, over the list. Okay. We got a hood off of a destroyed Aston Martin. Yeah, basically a complete hood you put on the roof of your car?

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Speaker 1
I put on the roof of my car.

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Speaker 2
I don't know if we're going to talk about the condition of the roof of your car.

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Speaker 1
No, let's not. Let's let's gloss over.

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Speaker 2
So broken carbon fiber part that was ratchet strapped to the roof of Erin's BMW. You that went about how you thought it would go. Yeah. For a five hour drive home on Backroads. Yeah. He also got pulled over. Nice. Then we get the front grille from the Aston Martin. So, yeah, it's got, like the logo and it wasn't like the badges missing, but the logo area, whatever.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, we got both sides of the front intake. I got one. Our other buddy got the other one.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
We got two tires off of a Lamborghini. Yep. The very fresh tires might. Very fresh. Yeah. Like maybe four laps, actually. Three, three tires. I say three.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, three tires. So there's the.

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Speaker 2
Three. Yeah, exactly. Andrew got one too. Yeah. So that was dope. I got basically the entire front end, including one control arm from an LMP three car. Yeah. Which I hold back. And quite frankly, if I know I got the other stuff, it went, I grabbed it, we got the Porsche Penske banner that they would have hung in their pit stall.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Which is the number four.

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Speaker 1
The number six. Penske Porsche.

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Speaker 2
Insane. So and then we got the GDC equivalent that would have been in their pit stall as well. Yep, they're better. So that's their Porsche 963 kind of banner and everything. Yeah. Pictures of all this obviously getting posted and then obviously some other bits to the destroyed Cadillac. I got a bit off of that Lmp3 car that went into the wall.

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Speaker 2
I got like a plastic like the like cover for it. Insane. I don't understand how we got any of this. I don't understand how you got a whole ass hood. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1
So that was that was pretty funny because I know you went to try and go get it and the team's just like, No, you can't.

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Speaker 2
Oh, my God. I was hassling the guy for 20 minutes and he kept saying, No, you can't have the hood. You can't have the hood. I was like, Come on, come on.

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Speaker 1
So then at this point, I walked up to where the pit stop was, where they were packing up all the trucks because this was like post-race. Everyone's packing up, getting ready to leave and a walk up and like, this team's like packing up their truck. And I was like, Oh, this is so cool. This is so cool. What are you guys going to do with it?

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Speaker 1
And, like, we're just going to throw it all away. I was like, Oh, okay, that's fair. So about an hour later, I go back and I'm just aimlessly walking around all of these trucks, as are packing up and trying to to leave to get to the next race. And as soon as the Aston Martin truck starts to drive away, I was like, okay, that's my cue.

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Speaker 1
And I walked over and I picked up the hood. It was, like.

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Speaker 2
Insane.

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Speaker 1
See you later.

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Speaker 2
I know. I can't believe a company like that who's, like, at their core, that Aston Martin seems like a charity organization out of, I don't know, somewhere in the West Coast. That's like auction 1 to 1. Oh, guess it's, like, tough to bring a lot of stuff back, but yeah, God damn it, to throw that away for free.

00;06;43;03 - 00;07;01;10
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. If you are considering going to an arms race, though, by the way, I got to add, first of all, thank you so much again, Sam fellows. Oh, the goat humor all time would shout out like guys ripping around right now in the panty series. Yeah, just had an 11th place finish, I believe, at the Toronto Indie with a brand new cart.

00;07;01;15 - 00;07;18;26
Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, the guy's a maestro. Yeah, he was great to us once again this weekend. I can't wait to see him again next year. Hopefully see him before that. But if you're thinking about going to an arms race, the fact we walked away with Lamborghini tires, the front grille of an Aston Martin, the hood of an Aston Martin, an Lmp3 car, a Porsche banner, two Porsche banners.

00;07;18;26 - 00;07;34;25
Speaker 2
Actually, that is your sign to get to a race. And yeah, make sure you bring a pickup truck because they're making sure you go home with a bunch of stuff. They gave us snacks. We got like four cases of Gatorade, six cases of water hockey, net hockey sticks. Yeah. What else are they giving Bodyarmor? They gave us beer.

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Speaker 2
They gave us a bunch of beer. My God.

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Speaker 1
The same. So much beer.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Sharon Meyer, Shank racing on a bunch of beer. Like we left that event. And this is. This is, like, not an exaggeration. We left that event with more stuff than we arrived with.

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Speaker 1
Yes.

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Speaker 2
Drinks specifically and drinks, food, drink, name. And we left stuff on the table. Like there was stuff that we had to be like, okay, we do not have room for all of this. Gatorade zero. You don't we don't have room. We had to leave the hockey night in the hockey sticks behind. We're like, I don't know what to do with this.

00;08;04;17 - 00;08;07;14
Speaker 1
So which is a shame because that was that was fast.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, it was fast. Yeah, it's sick. So, man, I don't know. It was just it was a really good time. Yeah. You got to get to race if you're in the area, if you're in any of the areas that might have an arms race, I would say within three or 4 hours even. Yeah, got it.

00;08;22;15 - 00;08;23;03
Speaker 1
It's so worth.

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Speaker 2
It. Get a trailer delivered. Take your car down. Only take backroads. Set the GPS to no highways man. It's just the best weekend every time we go.

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Speaker 1
And it's not it's not expensive like a lot of I get it when people think, oh, a race weekend is expensive, you know, you have to spend money on this. You have to spend money on that. Okay. So let's let's take all that out of the equation and let's do some some basic comparison with a Formula One race.

00;08;46;02 - 00;09;06;04
Speaker 1
Okay. Okay. So because I know you're on both. Yeah. Yeah, because I know you went to the Montreal Formula One race last year. Yeah. So Formula One race was Montreal. So let's, let's give it the benefit. Benefit of the doubt. Let's say you find tickets for 300 bucks. Yeah. Miraculously, you find tickets for 300 bucks each. Right. And this is just for one person.

00;09;06;04 - 00;09;13;29
Speaker 1
Okay. Yep. So one person, you drive down 350 bucks hotel, you spend $1,000 for the weekend. For the night.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
And then you still have food, you still have drinks, you still have everything that you have to buy during the weekend. And where are you allowed to go on the track.

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Speaker 2
At the very end? Yes, at the very end, yes. But not every.

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Speaker 1
Day. Not every day. So you can't do track walks every day?

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Speaker 2
No, you can't even really do a like you could sort of do a full track walk on the last day, but it's not free for all. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Okay. So if a car crashes, what are the odds you get to walk away with the bits.

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Speaker 2
You get shot if you.

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Speaker 1
Try? Oh, you get shot. Yes. Oh, interesting. Okay. So did you get the chance to you walk around any of the pit stalls or get up close with the cars at all? No, no. Okay. Did you get to walk around during the race? No. No. So once the race starts, you're stuck in one spot.

00;10;01;05 - 00;10;01;23
Speaker 2
More or less.

00;10;01;23 - 00;10;06;08
Speaker 1
More or less. Okay, fantastic. And this is going to cost you about $2,000 for a weekend.

00;10;06;08 - 00;10;09;19
Speaker 2
Plus, I would say 500 for food and drink if you're being conservative.

00;10;09;19 - 00;10;13;24
Speaker 1
Okay. Yeah. So you're you're 20, 2500 bucks for a weekend.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And keep in mind. Yes, you can do it for cheaper. Don't come at me. Yes. If you want to do it for cheaper and go full budget and buy general admission and eat like a god damn squirrel. Are you down there? Yeah, sure. But if you're going to do an F1 race, at the minimum, tolerable amount of, like, enjoyment.

00;10;28;21 - 00;10;37;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like any cheaper than that on food. And you're not going to have a good time because you're going to be eating Clif Bar the whole time. That's fair. So this is yeah. About the cheapest. Yeah.

00;10;37;04 - 00;10;59;21
Speaker 1
So about 20, 2500 bucks. I think that's now that's, that's one person going by themselves, you know, that's not splitting it up between how many people. Okay, so let's do the same thing with this IMSA race. Yes. Okay. So how much is so let's say $350 to get will do the same thing, will do $350 to get to and from for gas, depending on where you live.

00;10;59;21 - 00;11;01;00
Speaker 2
Let's just assume, okay.

00;11;01;01 - 00;11;08;27
Speaker 1
Depending on where you live, $350 for gas. Okay. How much was it to rent the trailer for the weekend split? No.

00;11;09;11 - 00;11;10;17
Speaker 2
Oh, 800 bucks.

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Speaker 1
800 bucks. Okay. And we.

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Speaker 2
Did that for five nights, eight.

00;11;13;27 - 00;11;21;25
Speaker 1
Hundred dollars for five nights for a 42 foot trailer. Yes. Which let's be real. If you're going by yourself, you won't need a 42 foot trailer.

00;11;21;25 - 00;11;24;21
Speaker 2
With three TVs and two fridges and and.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly. You won't need it. So let's have that. If you find like a decent, you know, single person trailer that you can have delivered 400 bucks, right? Yeah. Average rent.

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Speaker 2
Four or five, four or.

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Speaker 1
Five, say 500 bucks. Okay. So right now we're still under $1,000. So you have accommodations and you have a way to get down there. 4000 bucks under a thousand bucks?

00;11;46;03 - 00;11;47;12
Speaker 2
Yeah. And that's high. That's coming in.

00;11;47;12 - 00;11;49;28
Speaker 1
Hot. That's coming in hot. Okay. How much are tickets?

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Speaker 2
$57.

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Speaker 1
$57. Okay.

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Speaker 2
And that's for a weekend super ticket.

00;11;54;20 - 00;12;04;17
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, we'll round that up to 60 bucks. We're still under $1,000. Yes. Okay. Food and drink again. We'll say what? What did you say for the Formula One race?

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Speaker 2
Oh, at least 500.

00;12;05;21 - 00;12;20;10
Speaker 1
500, at least for the weekend. Okay. So 500 bucks. So that puts us maybe 1500 bucks. Yeah, let's let's go through the same things. Can you walk around the track. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Can you do that every night? Yes. Okay, cool. Can you move while the race is going?

00;12;20;10 - 00;12;20;27
Speaker 2
Wherever you want.

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Speaker 1
Wherever you want. Wow. Okay, sweet. When it comes to crashes or anything like that, if if you find bits, can you take them home?

00;12;28;05 - 00;12;28;26
Speaker 2
They encourage it.

00;12;28;28 - 00;12;32;06
Speaker 1
Oh, wonderful. Oh, yeah. I guess we have. You know, I.

00;12;32;06 - 00;12;34;11
Speaker 2
Could rebuild a GTD pro car.

00;12;34;14 - 00;12;43;20
Speaker 1
Probably. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And overall experience, if they cost the same amount of money, let's say they both cost a thousand bucks for a weekend. Which one are you going to?

00;12;43;20 - 00;12;59;13
Speaker 2
I'd probably do the IMSA. Okay, to be honest with you there. Yeah, it's just it's top to bottom. A better experience. I don't get me wrong, the F1 is dynamite. I get it's so cool and you definitely have to get to a race at some point. Do I think it's a bit corporate and a bit stale? Yes, I do.

00;12;59;14 - 00;13;16;12
Speaker 2
Last time I went, I felt like a bit of a yob with my full Canada outfit. Like there was nobody really like rowdy. Rowdy. But it's basically just I would describe a lot of times the fans that go are just sophisticated NASCAR fans. So I would describe it that way to put it around in the back of a pickup truck, rip in some lagers, you know what I mean?

00;13;16;20 - 00;13;37;17
Speaker 2
But at the same time, they know what an Aston Martin is, right? Like they're not like, oh, what the hell is a NASCAR? An Aston Martin anyways? It's it's sick that way. And I do think we're coming in high with the IMSA prices. If you split it, which we did between eight people 40 to 40 trailer it sleeps ten you split between eight solve a ton of room math.

00;13;38;02 - 00;13;59;15
Speaker 2
The cost we would have spent per person divided like literally everything. I think it was 230, 230 bucks. So that's good. We're getting down there. That's a trailer delivered. That's food, that's your ticket, that's that's literally everything. Yeah. And I mean, we have pit access. Yeah, I guarantee. I mean, with anybody, anybody's admission, you can walk right through the paddock.

00;13;59;19 - 00;14;02;01
Speaker 2
Yep. Right up to the team's, right up to where they're working. Yeah.

00;14;02;20 - 00;14;20;16
Speaker 1
You can talk to them. They will very hand know you and, and that's one of the craziest things is if you go up to a team, if they're not inherently busy, like if they're not very clearly working on the car where they have their hands full with tires or bumper covers or whatever it is, and you start up a conversation, they're happy to talk to you.

00;14;20;16 - 00;14;22;04
Speaker 1
Yeah, but they have no problems.

00;14;22;05 - 00;14;31;04
Speaker 2
The only people who have ever told me to kind of fuck off would have been the Cadillac right after their car exploded. And they were trying to do, like, some testing on it to see what went wrong.

00;14;31;04 - 00;14;32;13
Speaker 1
And that's completely reasonable.

00;14;32;13 - 00;14;48;02
Speaker 2
Yeah, I was asking, I was like, can I have like a piece of the front bumper? The guy's like, Get out of here. And I'm like, okay. Which is like, I already knew. I already knew it was like an unreasonable ask, but that's literally the only time anybody else. Vasser Sullivan, Lexus, unbelievable people. They were great to us last year when we had a little tour with them.

00;14;48;07 - 00;14;52;14
Speaker 2
Dynamite, IMSA people, the tech inspection guys. Oh, awesome, fantastic.

00;14;52;14 - 00;14;53;05
Speaker 1
Very Michelin guy.

00;14;53;06 - 00;15;03;10
Speaker 2
Sweet Michelin. Great to talk to. BMW actually was very, very nice to me. They're top class team. Yeah, super nice as we know. Meyer Shank with Acura.

00;15;03;20 - 00;15;04;12
Speaker 1
Fantastic.

00;15;04;20 - 00;15;20;23
Speaker 2
It's so world class, man. They get it right. Like, if you're not being an idiot, you're not being annoying and you're just being normal, do that. Just asking questions. And they're like everybody. There's a race fan. But we did that weekend for Cheap. I vividly remember having this conversation on the show last year. It's not good. You have to get down there.

00;15;20;23 - 00;15;37;27
Speaker 2
You have to bring a U-Haul, you have to bring a truck because you're going to come home with more than you arrived with every single time. Dude. Yeah, the amount of times we've been in races and we would have if we known, if we would have known, you could have just went to anybody's stall and just went to their garbage bin and started picking through it.

00;15;37;27 - 00;15;47;24
Speaker 2
I mean, yes. Do I feel like a raccoon? I would I would say so, yes. But when you come Bowman out of there with a Lamborghini tire and they're like fired up and they're like chanting.

00;15;48;00 - 00;15;48;14
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah.

00;15;48;22 - 00;16;04;24
Speaker 2
Because that's what happened to us. We took the Lamborghini has, like I told you all, let's go. I don't know. It's just it's pretty awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, you got to do it. You got to do it, man. Even if it's a race where it is lime rock. Mid-Ohio Road, America, Laguna Seca Road, Atlanta, some Watkins Glen. Yeah.

00;16;04;24 - 00;16;20;09
Speaker 2
And if you're in Europe are boys in Europe. Like if you get to a feel like race, it is killer right now. Like, I can't even begin to describe how good that series is. Yeah, with Ferrari and Toyota, the battles that we've seen like did you watch on 6 Hours Monza yesterday.

00;16;20;18 - 00;16;21;04
Speaker 1
I did not.

00;16;21;12 - 00;16;21;26
Speaker 2
Really good.

00;16;22;20 - 00;16;24;12
Speaker 1
I'm not surprised because his mother.

00;16;24;22 - 00;16;35;08
Speaker 2
It was, it was really good. Porsche stinks over there for whatever reason Ferrari's great Toyota Kobayashi man, the guy's a fucking maestro. Yeah, I don't like it.

00;16;35;08 - 00;16;37;20
Speaker 1
Like Toyota's been nailing.

00;16;38;11 - 00;16;46;07
Speaker 2
They have a head start. Yeah, they have to start, but, yeah, they've been crushing it, especially with, like, continued bio changes and everything. They're still fast.

00;16;46;10 - 00;16;47;09
Speaker 1
But they're still doing really good.

00;16;47;18 - 00;16;51;23
Speaker 2
We'll get into that another day. Bottom line, get to a race, get to a race, get.

00;16;51;23 - 00;16;53;09
Speaker 1
To an arms race. As soon as you possibly let.

00;16;53;09 - 00;17;08;20
Speaker 2
Us know, message us. If you got any questions, let us know. We will answer anything that you got. Yeah, but you got to get to race, especially this year. The next two, three years is like the start of the golden age of endurance racing. Yeah, it's coming back. It is coming like.

00;17;08;20 - 00;17;16;18
Speaker 1
Like every sounds are coming back. The cars are coming back. The manufacturers are coming back. Granted, I don't think we're going to be seeing the IP.

00;17;16;18 - 00;17;17;21
Speaker 2
Three, four, LMP three.

00;17;17;29 - 00;17;22;24
Speaker 1
Which is a shame because those things are fantastic. They sound so good.

00;17;22;24 - 00;17;42;02
Speaker 2
Here's a cool fact about the LNP three cars in IMSA. Okay. Yes, the engine is derived from the Infiniti 50 or the q x 70. Okay. Okay. That weird looking SUV that looks like a shoe. I don't know, rear steering. Kind of a cool car ahead of its time. Terrible interior. It's the same engine with a different cylinder bore.

00;17;42;14 - 00;18;04;00
Speaker 2
It's same thing. So you have a legit bona fide Nissan racing engine and the only car they ever put that engine to in a road car was the F-150. It's crazy. This stupid shoe SUV, you think? Oh, okay, if it's a Nissan, they're probably running it out of the GTI. GT-R, sorry. Yeah, I know. And it's the shoe.

00;18;04;00 - 00;18;21;00
Speaker 2
It's a shoe SUV. It doesn't make any sense. And the other thing that doesn't make any sense is why that car isn't being mounted. More people not buying this up. Yeah, they're still reasonably cheap, so naturally aspirated V8 that's very capable of high speeds. Take of the back. Sounds unreal. Oh, my God. Get some side pipes on this thing.

00;18;21;01 - 00;18;43;25
Speaker 2
You just dynamite. Dynamite. Then that's. That's exactly how I would describe that car. You've got to pick one up. It's a shame to see it go. But I do think we're entering kind of this golden era. And I think there is probably some pressure from the manufacture teams to be like, okay, let's like let's knock this off. Yeah, because we're not finishing races because of these guys late breaking into a corner kamikaze in five, 5 minutes.

00;18;43;25 - 00;19;01;27
Speaker 1
But you know what even even during the race like and I know we're kind of dragging this out a little bit, but when we watched the race recap, there was a safety and a BMW coming down turn for almost rear ended. The safety trucks did it? Yeah like just almost like full send into the back.

00;19;01;28 - 00;19;03;10
Speaker 2
Like I saw this up.

00;19;03;15 - 00;19;04;15
Speaker 1
And went into the gravel.

00;19;04;20 - 00;19;05;09
Speaker 2
Yeah, I saw that.

00;19;05;09 - 00;19;10;07
Speaker 1
Then he got a penalty because he was for like unnecessary.

00;19;10;07 - 00;19;12;14
Speaker 2
It's like when you're racing when you're not supposed to be racing. Yeah.

00;19;12;14 - 00;19;19;04
Speaker 1
Yeah. Unnecessary risk. That's what it is. Yes. You got a penalty for unnecessary risk because he almost sent himself into the back of a truck.

00;19;19;09 - 00;19;20;21
Speaker 2
I got to find a way to go that anyway.

00;19;20;21 - 00;19;31;21
Speaker 1
So moving on, I want to talk about we're going to move into force a stuff Crazy for the world podcast. Yeah I want to move into some of the Forza horizon updates that have been of late.

00;19;31;25 - 00;19;32;08
Speaker 2
Okay.

00;19;32;08 - 00;19;47;11
Speaker 1
Yes, we got because we do have to talk about this. First off, I want to talk about the second donut media update because it was the first donut media update which stunk. It was awful. It was awesome because we actually got to kind of talk with.

00;19;47;17 - 00;19;49;13
Speaker 2
It was awesome. Purely because it was donut.

00;19;49;14 - 00;19;50;07
Speaker 1
Because it was donut.

00;19;50;11 - 00;19;52;25
Speaker 2
Box execution and like functions zero.

00;19;52;25 - 00;20;00;22
Speaker 1
Out ten. Terrible, terrible. And the cars stunk. They were just all, you know, rehashed versions of cars that we've had in the past for four the games.

00;20;00;22 - 00;20;04;24
Speaker 2
Honestly, kind of what we would have expected from four is isn't exactly vintage for and stuff. Yeah.

00;20;04;24 - 00;20;25;01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay, cool. Well we'll reskin this car and we'll throw it back in the game and say it's new and exclusive and, you know, whatever. Thanks. Thanks. Perfect. I appreciate it. The first one stunk, but in the one donut podcast that they had past guests, which is fantastic podcast now hilarious, they talked about having, you know, high car, low car, all that stuff in the game.

00;20;25;01 - 00;20;49;22
Speaker 1
So everyone was stoked about it. And then forces like, Oh, just kidding, we're going to separate it into two updates and you're going to have to wait four months to get the next one. And you're like, okay, great. But the second one was fantastic. The three updates before that were fantastic. We got the LC500, we got the STO, we got the Audi Rs6, we got the Porsche mission E like it was just banger update after banger update after banger update.

00;20;49;25 - 00;21;13;22
Speaker 1
And it has been consistently good. Yes. And even this recent update, they did bring back cars that have been in the game before, but they were fantastic cars. The SL 65 Black Series was one of them. I'm so glad that car is back in the game. Twin Turbo, V12. It's just it's an absolute monster. It's so much fun to drive.

00;21;13;22 - 00;21;35;15
Speaker 1
It sounds so good. The other two cars that they had that I remember with the GMC cyclone and the GMC typhoon. Yes. Which are so sick and people are complaining on there's not enough trucks in the game. Suck my dick like you have. You have fantastic trucks in this game. You know, and the people that are complaining that there's not enough trucks in the game are desperately trying to get a base.

00;21;35;22 - 00;21;42;14
Speaker 1
You know, EcoBoost V6 F-150 from 2015, when my truck game put.

00;21;42;14 - 00;21;51;29
Speaker 2
My work truck in the game, it's like, no, no, no. It's not what it's for. It's the same. People have been complaining for the longest time that we need more like civilian cars, like Camrys. And it's like. That's not what it's for.

00;21;52;00 - 00;21;52;22
Speaker 1
Not no, this is.

00;21;52;22 - 00;21;54;05
Speaker 2
Not for end PC cars.

00;21;54;05 - 00;21;55;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, exactly.

00;21;55;00 - 00;22;03;18
Speaker 2
They're good trucks for the most part in this game. Yes. Be honest. Yeah. Cyclone, I always felt like, okay, we're missing that. Now we have it, man. Unreal. Yeah, unreal.

00;22;03;22 - 00;22;30;12
Speaker 1
It's fantastic now. Like, it's just. It's. I find it hilarious because if you watch the donut media stuff, they do episodes of up to speed on pretty much all these cars and they're fantastic to watch. It gives you a good little history of the car itself, and it makes you appreciate them that much more, which is fantastic. So I, I think it's funny that the timing and this this very well could be a coincidence.

00;22;30;13 - 00;22;43;22
Speaker 1
Yes, I think it would be pretty good if you just had some like overlay music at this part. If it would be a complete coincidence that the updates started to get good when Mike Brown left.

00;22;43;26 - 00;22;59;25
Speaker 2
Mike Brown. Mike Brown, the Forza Horizon Creative Director. Yeah, he left the studio January 10th. Yep. Okay. And I'm. I put my tinfoil hat on for this one. Hmm. But I think the update started getting good. What, like February, late February, early March.

00;23;00;03 - 00;23;02;24
Speaker 1
March, April, May, June, July.

00;23;03;05 - 00;23;22;01
Speaker 2
I don't know. I don't know. Like, was was this the guy that was holding everything back? Because it's I don't know. I don't think it's that much of a coincidence that suddenly out of the blue, for whatever reason, now we have competent updates and competent cars coming in. Yeah, this is very odd.

00;23;22;01 - 00;23;24;17
Speaker 1
Enjoyable updates. A lot of stuff to do.

00;23;24;17 - 00;23;25;22
Speaker 2
Thoughtful updates, thoughtful.

00;23;25;22 - 00;23;26;07
Speaker 1
Updates like.

00;23;26;08 - 00;23;30;16
Speaker 2
Not crap, all nonsense. Like nope. The format that might get you playing.

00;23;30;17 - 00;23;54;08
Speaker 1
The photo mode change. Unbelievable. Yes. Unbelievable. Yes. Like and being for the photographers that post, I don't know on Instagram, I don't know if you've heard of us, but you having that photo mode update where you can change the weather, you can change the time of day, you can change all of these aspects if you park up and you're like, Oh, wow, I really like the backdrop of this, but I don't like the time of day.

00;23;54;11 - 00;23;58;10
Speaker 1
Cool. No problem. Change the time of day. Find the sun in a good spot. Boom. Good to.

00;23;58;10 - 00;24;09;15
Speaker 2
Go. It does feel a bit like all of these were in the works. I mean, this guy leaves and now all of a sudden, it's like it's getting greenlighted. Yeah, it feels a bit like that. Like there was a lot of stuff, that.

00;24;09;15 - 00;24;10;15
Speaker 1
Tinfoil hat, tinfoil.

00;24;10;15 - 00;24;29;24
Speaker 2
Hat. This is like. This is the purest of speculation right now. Yeah, but I don't see any other variable that's changed in the past a little bit for all of a sudden, after years and multiple games of stupid updates. Yep. Now it's good, right? It doesn't make any sense. So, I don't know. Keep your eye out. Keep your eye and see if this continues.

00;24;29;24 - 00;24;32;10
Speaker 2
Maybe they're just on a hot streak right now, but I don't know.

00;24;32;10 - 00;24;37;02
Speaker 1
The first two games, Horizon one and Horizon two, I was never disappointed by any of the stuff that they put out.

00;24;38;04 - 00;24;43;09
Speaker 2
I want to talk about something, though, that I think has the attention of a lot of Ford's fans.

00;24;43;10 - 00;24;43;19
Speaker 1
Okay.

00;24;44;05 - 00;24;45;06
Speaker 2
And that's Barbie update.

00;24;45;07 - 00;24;46;00
Speaker 1
Mm. Yes.

00;24;46;13 - 00;24;49;15
Speaker 2
Now, well, it's an update. I guess it was.

00;24;49;15 - 00;24;53;01
Speaker 1
Two free cars that were given to everyone. Yes. You had the electric Corvette.

00;24;53;01 - 00;24;54;06
Speaker 2
Barbie collaboration, I guess.

00;24;54;12 - 00;24;54;24
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;24;55;09 - 00;24;55;27
Speaker 2
This is.

00;24;55;27 - 00;24;57;15
Speaker 1
Corvette. And then the Hummer having a.

00;24;57;15 - 00;25;17;03
Speaker 2
Lot of attention. Yeah. And this has really thrown it back for me, too. The Lego update. The Lego expansion. Yeah. And you know, I think looking back, like like these are two different things. So let's just get that out of the way first, right? Like the Lego. That was an expansion. That was a that was something that people paid for ahead of time.

00;25;17;03 - 00;25;31;09
Speaker 2
Yeah. And then when you received this, everything is awesome. Update Yeah, it's a kick in the nuts for sure, although that map ended up being kind of fun and that was kind of a fun expansion. I did have some good, some good times. Yeah, it still was weird and they could have done a lot more and whatever, right?

00;25;31;09 - 00;25;47;05
Speaker 2
Yeah. Barbie thing is really just cars and some themed stuff, right? Whatever. And it's some weird, it's like weirdly a lot of attention on social media. You've got that contest now. Yeah, I've got that weird contest to be posted on her Instagram. Check that out.

00;25;48;09 - 00;25;49;01
Speaker 1
Where you get.

00;25;49;01 - 00;25;50;14
Speaker 2
For the lip gloss Yeah.

00;25;50;15 - 00;25;54;13
Speaker 1
You get lip gloss you get some actual Barbie dolls, you.

00;25;54;14 - 00;25;57;02
Speaker 2
Got a fake flip phone. But the actual Barbie dolls. Yeah. Weird.

00;25;57;10 - 00;26;01;17
Speaker 1
Yeah. You get a controller, you get two Barbie, hot wheels, cars.

00;26;01;27 - 00;26;02;12
Speaker 2
Yes.

00;26;02;24 - 00;26;03;15
Speaker 1
You get.

00;26;03;19 - 00;26;05;02
Speaker 2
Like a couple face plate, couple face.

00;26;05;02 - 00;26;06;05
Speaker 1
Plates for the controllers.

00;26;06;28 - 00;26;07;25
Speaker 2
I think that's it.

00;26;08;12 - 00;27;00;26
Speaker 1
It's just like when in my perspective as a player of four, as a of oh she's, I don't know, 15 years. Yeah, I'm not excited about it because I don't use lip gloss, I don't play with Barbies or anything, anything like that. But what I do like is they're trying to open up the brand for people who you wouldn't necessarily allow this brand for, because when you think for us that you think cars and 95% of our audience are guys, and I find that when it comes to stuff like this, girls are typically shut out of this type of community and they have to fight really hard to be accepted in the community by majority

00;27;00;26 - 00;27;01;19
Speaker 1
of the community.

00;27;01;26 - 00;27;12;16
Speaker 2
I'm going to vehemently disagree with your point, though. Okay. Strongly. Sure. And here is a very good point that I want you to chew on and I hope somebody from for is a hears this.

00;27;12;21 - 00;27;12;29
Speaker 1
Okay.

00;27;13;06 - 00;27;36;16
Speaker 2
The reason why I have such a problem with the for the Barbie stuff is because of what you just said and thinking that this is a way to get girls included into the community. I think it is such a stupid way of trying to get girls involved with Forza because I think it doesn't show any understanding of what it means with gender bias and all this.

00;27;36;16 - 00;27;37;01
Speaker 2
Different things.

00;27;37;03 - 00;27;37;26
Speaker 1
Inclusivity.

00;27;38;06 - 00;27;58;07
Speaker 2
No, no, it we talk about, okay, well there's no inherent gender role assigned with Barbie, right? Correct. A guy thing. It's not a girl thing, it's just Barbie. Yep. That's the same thing for racing. So why are you trying to put a Barbie label on it to get girls involved? I think that's super offensive because Barbie isn't inherently a girl thing, it's a car thing.

00;27;58;13 - 00;28;19;04
Speaker 2
Girls that are into cars play for girls that are in the Barbies don't play Forza because they're into Barbies. There's nothing to do if they're a girl or a guy, it's your interest. So blending together, thinking it's a gender thing because it's not. It's an interest. You don't see Barbie all the time for as a for as a for the like.

00;28;19;12 - 00;28;35;28
Speaker 2
You're not going to get me playing that because I don't like Barbies. I like for the. Yeah, that's it. It has nothing to do with gender. And if you think that that's something that is going to get more girls playing this game, you don't understand your audience whatsoever. That's my problem with it. It has nothing to do with gender, any of this stuff.

00;28;35;28 - 00;28;48;22
Speaker 2
It's so misaligned. It's just make the community welcoming, make it a good fucking game and people will play it. That's it. Support our community stuff that does that, not blow your mind a little bit?

00;28;48;23 - 00;28;49;05
Speaker 1
No, no, no.

00;28;49;05 - 00;28;53;24
Speaker 2
That's a very good point. You see how sexist that is of doing this Barbie thing and how pathetic that actually is.

00;28;53;25 - 00;28;56;11
Speaker 1
All right. Well, I'm just going to eat my own words and shoot myself.

00;28;56;11 - 00;29;14;14
Speaker 2
I'm fine. I'm so happy you said that, though, because it shows like initially face value. You think, okay, yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah. And you think about how like vile that actually is. Yeah. Like, you guys don't even know what the hell you're doing. Every girl I've ever met who who plays Forza is not, like, so entrenched in Barbie stuff.

00;29;15;09 - 00;29;30;00
Speaker 2
Like, like you can, like, oh, there's nothing wrong with, like, both. There's been plenty of guys on her post that are like, Oh, yeah, the Barbie pack's sick. Yeah, but I think it's a strong miscommunication with, like, what that means to be a girl that's into Forza. That's my problem.

00;29;30;02 - 00;29;32;13
Speaker 1
No, and that's that's a really good point, because like the.

00;29;32;13 - 00;29;50;05
Speaker 2
Car people, the car people are car people and that's all there is to it. Yeah, right. It doesn't matter. Like, there's no other, like, magic brand or interest that you need to, like, corral to get people into it. You're car person. You're car person and that's it. That's all there really is to it, right? That's all that should be to it.

00;29;50;05 - 00;29;56;21
Speaker 1
Focus on that community. Yes. Put all of your energy into that community. Find out what your community likes.

00;29;56;29 - 00;30;09;06
Speaker 2
Put the Iron Games Porsche into you. It's an all girls team. Yeah. Put that in. Put that. That's a racing thing that has girls on like it's an all girl team. They're actually nasty to like they're really good.

00;30;09;06 - 00;30;09;27
Speaker 1
They're fantastic.

00;30;09;27 - 00;30;34;00
Speaker 2
They almost won I think again. So I had Monza so like that being racing girls done. Yeah, right. So if that's the mindset that we're putting into this, that makes a lot more sense than Barbie's could please. Yeah, you do silliness. You really got to look for people like Sophia flourish. Yeah, she's got that really bad formula accent years ago where he's flying like she's a fucking trooper.

00;30;34;02 - 00;30;34;26
Speaker 1
Oh hundred percent.

00;30;35;06 - 00;30;42;01
Speaker 2
An unbelievable driver. Yeah, yeah. Iron Dame stuff. Find John, force his daughter. I forget her name, but she's like.

00;30;42;14 - 00;30;42;26
Speaker 1
Even.

00;30;42;26 - 00;30;43;10
Speaker 2
Raven.

00;30;43;19 - 00;30;44;26
Speaker 1
And Block's daughter, Leia.

00;30;44;26 - 00;30;47;21
Speaker 2
BLOCK Yes. Look. Oh, my God. Huge one.

00;30;47;21 - 00;30;58;07
Speaker 1
Huge one right there. You worked with one block before. Worked. You have worked directly beside who again? Yes. Talk to Leia. Talk to talk to his daughter. Be like, hey.

00;30;58;16 - 00;31;11;12
Speaker 2
Ever be a character in the game, for Christ's sake. Every single stupid character they bring in this game. I don't know any of their names. They're all idiots. Every single character ever put her in the game. Oh, yeah. Like you're the horizon guy. That'd be unreal.

00;31;11;12 - 00;31;14;15
Speaker 1
That would be so silly. Yes, that would be so sick.

00;31;14;26 - 00;31;19;09
Speaker 2
Why do we come up with good ideas? Every episode. Every episode. It's like, okay, yeah, that's a really good idea.

00;31;19;09 - 00;31;19;20
Speaker 1
There you go.

00;31;19;25 - 00;31;20;09
Speaker 2
Damn it.

00;31;20;17 - 00;31;23;19
Speaker 1
So if yeah, just do it.

00;31;23;20 - 00;31;38;29
Speaker 2
So. So listen. So we'll go back to this. That's how I'm using my problems that I have with the partnership with Barbie. That's right. Yes, I get it. They work with Hot Wheels. It's a mattel thing. It's a partnership. They're making money off this. Yeah, fine. But the fact that this was their giveaway, right? Like they had this giveaway, it's publicly available.

00;31;38;29 - 00;32;01;12
Speaker 2
But you didn't have one that was available for the Hot Wheels. Hot Wheels, one for the public is a little iffy. Like, I didn't really like that as much. It's getting way too much airtime. It's gotten way too much press. And I just think compared to the stuff that they've missed out on in the past a little bit, in the way that they tried to give back to the community in the form of contests which, by the way, nonexistent.

00;32;01;19 - 00;32;05;02
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. Get me some more contests, for God's sake. Yeah, crazy.

00;32;05;18 - 00;32;06;11
Speaker 1
So and.

00;32;06;11 - 00;32;07;14
Speaker 2
That's not not a big fan of.

00;32;07;14 - 00;32;22;26
Speaker 1
That. Like you said, that's that's one of my biggest kind of gripes with Forza is a lot of the times their contests are like they don't like you said, they don't have contests. Oh, I think this is the first contest I've seen in two, three years.

00;32;24;03 - 00;32;36;06
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's actually a social one. Like, I'm not talking, let's go on the forums and be a nerd. And then either like, I mean, there's this whole photo contest stuff or the library contest. Fine, you get like a stupid in-game thing. Yeah.

00;32;36;15 - 00;33;04;22
Speaker 1
I'm talking about actual. Physical. Yes, product. Actual, like something physical. Yeah. That that you can tangibly have as the general public. Yeah. Because everything else that they do, they're like, oh cool, we created this, you know, epic collaboration pack with Hot Wheels. We created this epic collaboration pack with, with whatever. But if you're not an influencer and you're not one of three people that does YouTube videos, you're never going to see this in your life.

00;33;04;22 - 00;33;22;17
Speaker 2
Yes, which is outrageous because I believe the one that got posted and this is on your Instagram, you can check this right now if you scroll a little bit, you'll see kind of this four's a pack. Same kind of dimensions as the Barbie one. I air 12. Got it. I don't think he ever posted about it or like did like an unboxing or anything.

00;33;23;03 - 00;33;32;10
Speaker 2
I don't know. I it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, to be honest, because that was pretty cool. They gave, like a brand new max box that had a skin on it. Yeah, cool, kind of controller. They had like a track. Yeah.

00;33;32;23 - 00;33;36;20
Speaker 1
So I want to move on to cue the music complain corner.

00;33;36;28 - 00;33;55;27
Speaker 2
This is Racetrack Edition. If you bring a kid that's under three years old to a racetrack, you're a fucking muppet. Honestly, it is not the place to bring a kid that young. It's too chaotic, there's too much going on. It's too loud. People are partying, people are drinking. People are doing wheelies on dirt bikes. People have their nice cars everywhere.

00;33;56;00 - 00;34;11;21
Speaker 2
Cough, cough or body. Dan, who brought in 2019 GT3 RS And there was a kid trying to play the bongos on the front fender. Yeah. Can't bring a kid that young. You can't do it. And if you do that, I mean, you're going to the back, right? You're not going in the chaotic kind of like turn four and five where it's just party central.

00;34;11;21 - 00;34;32;04
Speaker 2
There's DJs and people jumping in pools. You can't go trackside like right next to track where all the noises and all the hardcore is. All right, yeah, you're going to the back if you have to go. And even then, I don't think it's a good idea. I think it ruins your experience as a parent 100%. The kids too young to enjoy it, too young to kind of do their own thing and entertain themselves or you know what I mean?

00;34;32;10 - 00;34;36;23
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's not right. And it ruins everybody else's experience. I don't want to watch my language.

00;34;36;23 - 00;34;38;10
Speaker 1
I want to let them fly.

00;34;38;10 - 00;34;54;21
Speaker 2
I want the beers rip and I want to get on the roof. I don't think my shirt off and give the Libyans a couple of slaps for NBC Sports like I can't. It's a selfish thing, but it's also just looking at parents like, I don't understand why you would do that. It's the same kind of thing is if you're looking at a flight, right?

00;34;54;27 - 00;35;04;06
Speaker 2
The amount of times I think the rule has got to be to around, you're on a flight. No chance. There's just there is almost no situation. You should be bringing a two year old or younger on a flight, see?

00;35;04;06 - 00;35;05;16
Speaker 1
And. Yeah, and.

00;35;05;16 - 00;35;22;19
Speaker 2
You're inconveniencing everybody. It is the most selfish, ignorant thing to bring a kid that young. And I know this can be some white kid never cried on a flight. But I don't care. I don't care if your kid didn't cry on a flight. It is the risk that your kid could shed his pants on the flight and think of the entire cabin at 35,000 feet.

00;35;23;00 - 00;35;40;20
Speaker 2
It is the risk that your kids could start crying and you're not going to be able to calm it down. Yeah, and it is the trauma of everybody on that flight who flies semi often and like has had the trauma of a kid crying for 4 hours about nothing and the parents doing nothing except playing Angry Birds, man.

00;35;40;24 - 00;35;41;27
Speaker 2
Yeah. Oh, God.

00;35;41;28 - 00;35;45;01
Speaker 1
They have they have their headphones on. They're watching an in-flight movie.

00;35;45;01 - 00;36;03;11
Speaker 2
Same person that goes to the race and does that because we had this kid trying to play the bongos on this guy. 3 hours of our bodies. Yeah, it was making a beeline for my car. And thankfully, the mom scooped it up last minute as kids rolling around with a Fisher-Price lawnmower classic were jamming it into the side of our buddy's Veloster tires.

00;36;03;14 - 00;36;04;22
Speaker 1
Which is hilarious.

00;36;04;22 - 00;36;07;10
Speaker 2
So, I mean, you just it's too young.

00;36;07;10 - 00;36;13;14
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean, if his lying lungs got slashed by a plastic lawn mower, I'd be I'd be laughing 100%. It would be.

00;36;13;14 - 00;36;19;03
Speaker 2
Bad. I would be bad. I don't like seeing that for anybody, though. Like, you know, is your BMW getting a couple knocks by this kid?

00;36;19;03 - 00;36;20;00
Speaker 1
Like, I know.

00;36;20;05 - 00;36;22;13
Speaker 2
You can't blame the kid. You blame the parent, you.

00;36;22;13 - 00;36;22;29
Speaker 1
Blame the parents.

00;36;23;12 - 00;36;25;09
Speaker 2
Because the kid you do. It's a two year old kid.

00;36;25;09 - 00;36;27;22
Speaker 1
You know, honestly, the kid's being a kid yes, I do like and.

00;36;28;01 - 00;36;30;09
Speaker 2
You know what a guy 3 hours is like? No.

00;36;30;09 - 00;36;34;04
Speaker 1
I mean, it's he's a bright blue Porsche and it's like, that's fucking saying I want to be close to it.

00;36;34;20 - 00;36;35;05
Speaker 2
Yes.

00;36;35;05 - 00;36;51;18
Speaker 1
I do want to talk about we're moving away from Fords at a back into video games. Yes. And we're kind of going to be tying forward it back into this. There's a game that was recently I say recently released. It's recently revealed they're coming out with the new game Solar Crown. Yes. Which is going to be sick. It's on Hong Kong Island.

00;36;51;24 - 00;37;02;07
Speaker 1
It's going to be a massive map. And so they did the gameplay reveal just a couple of days ago. And it's to the point where it's pre alpha footage. So it's nothing crazy.

00;37;02;15 - 00;37;03;14
Speaker 2
Not like ready, ready.

00;37;03;15 - 00;37;16;18
Speaker 1
No, no, no where near. But it looks sick like all of the features that they had in the previous test drive titles they have in this new title. So it's I think it's going to give Forza some very serious competition.

00;37;16;25 - 00;37;17;14
Speaker 2
It's just thinking.

00;37;17;15 - 00;37;28;18
Speaker 1
As well as the crew, because the crew has motor fast coming out, which very much looks like Horizon. You know, the first crew game was like, oh, we're the whole United States. And then it was actually like a third of the time.

00;37;28;18 - 00;37;47;24
Speaker 2
Yeah, that was like the crew's big thing, right? Was, Oh, it's the whole United States. It's a big map. Big map up above. And like that seems to kind of be, what, smaller ground soccer? A lot of it is. Like it's just these huge maps. Like it dwarfs anything forces ever done. Oh, 100%. I heard one of their maps is like bigger than everything for the has ever done.

00;37;47;25 - 00;37;49;18
Speaker 2
Have you put it together like just.

00;37;49;18 - 00;37;50;13
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think I wouldn't.

00;37;50;13 - 00;37;50;26
Speaker 2
Arya or.

00;37;50;26 - 00;38;07;07
Speaker 1
Something. I would, I mean the, the Hawaii map in test driving limited to was huge. It took you like an hour and a half to drive from one side to the other. So that's just I don't know. I think that's proof that that test drive knows what they're doing. But I mean, the layout of Hong Kong Island is going to be sick.

00;38;07;07 - 00;38;15;03
Speaker 1
You got like these big open highways, you got the off road sections, you got the city sections. Like it's everything that the for the players have been really asking for Japan.

00;38;15;07 - 00;38;18;05
Speaker 2
Yeah and everybody has been asking for that.

00;38;18;23 - 00;38;25;18
Speaker 1
So I think it's going to be really good. I want to do a quick little comparison between Forza and test drive solar crown.

00;38;26;02 - 00;38;28;07
Speaker 2
Okay. Okay. So it'll game this.

00;38;28;11 - 00;38;42;07
Speaker 1
This is a little game that we're going to play. So I'm going to I'm going to ask you some questions and I'm going to ask if Forza has these features. Okay. Okay. Does four as a have removable convertible roofs?

00;38;42;20 - 00;38;44;25
Speaker 2
I don't think so.

00;38;44;25 - 00;38;58;11
Speaker 1
Some of them do like some. Some of them do. Okay. Does test drive have convertible roofs? I don't know. They do. Okay. Every single convertible is going to have a operating roof. Okay. Okay. Does Forza have headlights.

00;38;58;29 - 00;38;59;23
Speaker 2
Like change them?

00;38;59;29 - 00;39;12;19
Speaker 1
Yeah. If you can turn them on and turn them off. No, no. Okay. So a crown does does force and have turn signals. Okay. Well, solar crown does does for to have a social space for people to sit and talk.

00;39;12;19 - 00;39;14;18
Speaker 2
I don't believe you can get out of your goddamn car.

00;39;14;26 - 00;39;24;04
Speaker 1
You can't but test drive the crown does. All right. Okay. Does Forza have a garage that you can actually walk around and interact with your cars?

00;39;24;11 - 00;39;24;25
Speaker 2
No.

00;39;25;22 - 00;39;27;06
Speaker 1
No. I mean, they have what.

00;39;27;06 - 00;39;27;20
Speaker 2
Kind of.

00;39;27;20 - 00;39;33;04
Speaker 1
Motorsport kind of horizon. They kind of have like that for the vista, whatever it is.

00;39;33;04 - 00;39;35;04
Speaker 2
Developed 0% off.

00;39;35;04 - 00;39;36;17
Speaker 1
That's exactly.

00;39;36;17 - 00;39;38;21
Speaker 2
Yeah, it's literally the most useless feature.

00;39;39;06 - 00;39;56;01
Speaker 1
But silicon does. Okay. Okay. Does Forza have windows that you can roll up and down during a drive you? No. Okay, well, solar crown does. Okay. So. Yeah, thank you for playing. All right, good game. I just.

00;39;56;01 - 00;39;57;19
Speaker 2
Theme. Yeah. Do you sense the theme?

00;39;57;19 - 00;40;06;11
Speaker 1
It's I think the biggest thing that we're going to have to look for is why should we play solar crown?

00;40;06;20 - 00;40;22;10
Speaker 2
Well, that's the number one question with any of these games is and we talk about it all the time. You've listened to Fourth World Podcast in the past. For those of you that are new, that's the number one question that I don't think Horizon Game has answered since about Horizon two, which is why the hell am I playing this game?

00;40;22;13 - 00;40;39;11
Speaker 2
Yeah, it truly like why? Like, what's the motive? Is there an end goal? Is there something I'm working towards? Right. Like, what's the story? Yeah, unlocking it doesn't mean anything to me. I do not care. Give me as far as cards go. Sorry. Give me levels. Give me progression.

00;40;39;24 - 00;40;59;11
Speaker 1
See? Okay. So progression wise, I do want to talk about progression because in Solar Crown you start off in so there's a big hotel room and this is like I might be getting some of this wrong because there's only some stuff that's been available to us. It's a very pretty alpha. There's this big giant hotel, which is the solar hotel, but you get a room.

00;40;59;18 - 00;41;19;08
Speaker 1
So when you first arrive onto Hong Kong Island, they're like, Oh, congratulations, welcome. Here's a room. And then at that point, you have to race, you have to progress, you have to unlock cars, you have to buy cars. You start from nothing. And then as you progress, you get better cars. You get you get a better room, you get better stuff.

00;41;20;03 - 00;41;21;24
Speaker 2
You don't start with 25 million credits.

00;41;21;25 - 00;41;34;08
Speaker 1
You don't start with 25 million. You don't start with a McLaren P1, right? You know, you don't go into your mailbox and it's like, Oh, thank you for playing the other test drive games. Here's every single car in the game. Have fun.

00;41;34;08 - 00;41;36;14
Speaker 2
So it's not story driven. But you're starting from scratch.

00;41;36;15 - 00;41;37;13
Speaker 1
You're starting from scratch.

00;41;37;13 - 00;41;38;05
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's the way to do it.

00;41;38;12 - 00;41;44;12
Speaker 1
And it it might be story driven. I just don't know what the story is like. I don't, I don't know specifically what it would be.

00;41;44;12 - 00;41;47;12
Speaker 2
How the little kind of sleeping dogs ish story to.

00;41;47;12 - 00;42;20;21
Speaker 1
It, you know, I think so. And I mean, if you if you look at the old test drive games, you had licenses, which is sick before you did some of the higher end street racing, you had to get a license, you had to take a car onto a test track and perform tests and pass the license test before you were able to actually drive in these events with the off road stuff, you have to you had to buy an off road car and then take it to a track and perform offroad tests with this car.

00;42;21;05 - 00;42;47;19
Speaker 1
Before you were allowed to race in off road events. Right, which is sick. It's not just, oh, you pulled up during this, you know, random ticket giveaway for the Horizon festival. Cool. Here's a Volkswagen Golf are go take it in the cross-country race and send yourself off a cliff. I'm very much looking forward to what solar crown brings us and what they're capable of.

00;42;47;24 - 00;42;58;14
Speaker 1
Some of the cars that they've released are sick. You have the C7 Corvette ZR1 TAYCAN Turbo S Cross Tourism, which is the wagon.

00;42;58;15 - 00;43;12;10
Speaker 2
Yeah, I, I still think that's like a it's the best version of the take on my guess. B that's the replaced the Panamera by the way. It's I think it should it's a better Panamera in my mind. I know it's not gas.

00;43;12;17 - 00;43;15;29
Speaker 1
I know. But it's so much smaller. It's so much smaller.

00;43;15;29 - 00;43;17;01
Speaker 2
Yeah, I guess so. I guess.

00;43;17;01 - 00;43;21;11
Speaker 1
So. That's I think that's one of the reasons why they're going to keep making the Panamera is because the Panamera so much bigger.

00;43;21;13 - 00;43;39;12
Speaker 2
Now here's an interesting note about okay, so if you're listening this, why the hell these idiots rambling on and on about solid ground? Well, two things. First, you might like it right? I think that goes without saying. You might like this game. I'm really interested to see how far is a response to this, because you don't like let's let's go through the order.

00;43;39;12 - 00;44;00;26
Speaker 2
Okay. Four is a kind of in like a weird state right now. Not really much has happened in the past couple of years in a very boring state. They're already having to refresh motorsport because people have like the reservations about how interesting it actually is. I bet your horizon goes through the same thing, right? You got need for speed, which is just a kid sit in the sandbox picking is no it hasn't done jack shit in at least six years.

00;44;01;04 - 00;44;01;28
Speaker 2
Nothing about eight.

00;44;01;28 - 00;44;02;09
Speaker 1
Years.

00;44;02;10 - 00;44;23;21
Speaker 2
About eight, right? Nothing. Nothing. Well, nobody, nobody cares or need for speed anymore. It's terrible. It's way too Arkady. It's not even on anybody's radar. You've got the crew, which is a little bit too. Arkady Too good concept, but as a, you know, any true racing guy, eventually outgrow that. It just you get bored of it or it's just not indepth enough.

00;44;23;28 - 00;44;24;05
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;44;25;05 - 00;44;38;08
Speaker 2
Enter Solar Crown. Now you're putting the pressure on for it. You might be leading this whole open world motorsport kind of thing. So how does for the race part of this? They're not going to like that. They're the biggest in the world at this type of game.

00;44;38;27 - 00;44;39;19
Speaker 1
At this point.

00;44;39;19 - 00;44;57;19
Speaker 2
At this point, right. Like I mean, Horizon five was the highest selling Xbox game in history. I think it still is. Or Xbox exclusive, maybe. I don't know what it was, but either way, a pretty big title. And I don't know. I don't think you take that. You know, I don't you.

00;44;57;19 - 00;45;22;29
Speaker 1
Don't think roll over. No, you can't take that lightly. No. And I think one of the biggest things with Solar Crown is they're not like having played some of the past Solar Crown games. They're not super, you know, oriented to physics like they have good physics, but they're nowhere near Fords, the physics. I think it's going to play a little bit more.

00;45;22;29 - 00;45;29;03
Speaker 2
Arkady And how long is this game been in development now? Like a long time, at least. The public has known about this for years now.

00;45;29;07 - 00;45;31;01
Speaker 1
Yeah, in fairness to for years, years.

00;45;31;14 - 00;45;40;11
Speaker 2
So I'm, I'm looking forward to it, man. I think it's going to be good. It's going to be a good game. And it should push the genre itself into an interesting spot.

00;45;40;12 - 00;45;53;24
Speaker 1
Yeah, 100%. Yeah. But yeah, I think Solar Crown is going to put the right amount of pressure on Forza. If they do it right, if they don't do it right, four is going to be like, I king your game sucks. We're just going to keep doing it.

00;45;53;24 - 00;45;57;16
Speaker 2
They won't have to. Yeah, they will only change stuff if they have to, in my opinion. Yeah.

00;45;58;00 - 00;46;02;07
Speaker 1
I'm excited for this week's fuck that car.

00;46;02;07 - 00;46;23;26
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. You know what it should be? You should be. This is a bit of a tandem. Fuck that car this week. As you know, this is the game show where we complain about car that we particularly are hating this specific week or whatever right this week. Get that musical pump that music, pump that music up cause this is none other than the Lamborghini.

00;46;24;06 - 00;46;24;27
Speaker 1
Lamborghini.

00;46;24;27 - 00;46;33;07
Speaker 2
Lamborghini, SC 63. That's right. The newest endurance car that they just announced, I don't know, a couple of days ago.

00;46;33;11 - 00;46;35;21
Speaker 1
I was going to say this is this is a very new car.

00;46;35;21 - 00;46;44;16
Speaker 2
Recent, pretty recent. You might be sitting at home asking yourself, how does a car this new already have Jason this angry and Kobe that's already. Oh, well.

00;46;44;16 - 00;46;45;00
Speaker 1
Let me tell.

00;46;45;00 - 00;46;59;09
Speaker 2
You let me tell you. Okay. Let me he's been talking about this program for a long time. Right. They've been talking about all this is going to be in all these endurance races. It's going to be inside. It's going to be in the WEC. It's going to be everywhere. We're going to customer programs are going have two cars and each team factory backing.

00;46;59;19 - 00;47;19;03
Speaker 2
It's going to be crazy, right? And then Lamborghini announces this thing and they go, okay, we're only going to partner with Iron Links. We might have a factory backing to it. We're not going to call it that. We're just going to call it like slight support or whatever the hell they call it, Italian. They're only going to run IMSA in like 2025.

00;47;19;06 - 00;47;39;09
Speaker 2
They're going to run three goddamn races and the program closes in 2027. So you're only doing the big boy races in IMSA. They have one car in each thing and so they're going to be like a year out. They have no customer teams at all, which is outrageous. And not even that. Not even like starting with no customer teams.

00;47;39;13 - 00;47;59;23
Speaker 2
They said, we're not doing it, period. This will not happen during the duration of this this car. They completely ruled it out. They didn't say maybe. They didn't say unlikely. They said this will not be happening. The program's closing in 2027. That's it. That is so stupid. Like, that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen Lamborghini do. Ever, ever, ever, ever.

00;47;59;24 - 00;48;06;28
Speaker 2
It's the single stupidest thing ever you might be saying, okay, I still don't get it. Jason, it's a cool car is a fucking V12. Like, why are you complaining about this?

00;48;06;28 - 00;48;08;01
Speaker 1
It's a hybridized v12.

00;48;08;01 - 00;48;25;24
Speaker 2
Hybrid as of, like, this is exactly what you guys talk about every week. No, no. What the hell is the point? If you can't have customer teams to buy into it and give you money for R&D and all this stuff. Right. What is the point? Right. You're only you're barely running any goddamn races. So 2024 or 20, 25, whatever the hell they're going to go to IMSA.

00;48;25;28 - 00;48;43;26
Speaker 2
That's a write off because you're going in three endurance races. Big fucking deal. You're not developing enough to even be competitive. You're going to finish dead last in your class every single time. I don't care who you are, there's no point to this program. It is the stupidest thing. Either be full time or forget it because all your competitors are cleaning up.

00;48;43;26 - 00;48;54;18
Speaker 2
Ferrari is dusting everything in sight for Toyota, but everybody else is kind of entering this. Every team's considering it. I heard cloning segue was kind of sort of maybe flirting with the idea of it.

00;48;54;18 - 00;48;56;04
Speaker 1
Same with Bugatti, same with Google.

00;48;56;04 - 00;49;05;04
Speaker 2
Yeah, Bugatti is actually I think that's very likely that that happens. So it's just like I don't even understand what the point of this program is. You're, you're not even doing anything.

00;49;05;19 - 00;49;13;06
Speaker 1
Yeah, but I find that very interesting, the fact that Lamborghini has been hyping this car up for so long, driver lineups.

00;49;13;06 - 00;49;25;18
Speaker 2
So like, oh, yeah, we're going to Romain Grosjean, we're going to do all these different things, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. Yeah. All right. When's the car going to drive? Don't enter the series. And then like, oh, we're going to focus on our GT3, work on stuff because like, that's kind of taking up a lot of our time.

00;49;25;18 - 00;49;36;17
Speaker 2
That was the excuse we have. We have a customer program with that work on. Yeah, focus on that. Yeah. Okay. Well why aren't you doing factory backing shit with that. Put a factory team in if you, if you're.

00;49;36;17 - 00;49;37;03
Speaker 1
Really that.

00;49;37;03 - 00;49;44;12
Speaker 2
Focused on it. Right. If this motorsport is suddenly something you care about then do a factory back team and no, it's no we are you know.

00;49;44;21 - 00;49;47;19
Speaker 1
Isn't isn't the hurricane being discontinued soon?

00;49;47;20 - 00;49;50;06
Speaker 2
Kind kind of. I heard something about that.

00;49;50;21 - 00;49;53;03
Speaker 1
Because they have like they have their.

00;49;53;03 - 00;49;55;16
Speaker 2
Aventador j very sorry the new Aventador.

00;49;55;16 - 00;49;56;14
Speaker 1
Aventador replacement.

00;49;56;14 - 00;50;16;00
Speaker 2
Yes that's coming out and there's talk there's going to be race car for that to replace that work on program so what they like it just not all of this is so backwards it's such a classic like Top Gear. It's like disturbing the Italian automaking community of like, you guys really have no idea what the hell are you doing?

00;50;16;14 - 00;50;31;16
Speaker 2
And this is like, the epitome of this. Why are you paying all of this money to not make anything off of customer cars for R&D to not be competitive? No driver is going to want to race for you guys because nobody knows the hell your schedule is now. So you're gonna have a terrible driver lineup like Romain Grosjean is.

00;50;31;16 - 00;50;46;21
Speaker 2
I don't think he's going to race in this now. It is crazy. So I don't know. And yeah, you're true with Iron Lynx. Like, you know, like all due respect, Iron links are pretty good program, but like, I don't know, like, it seems like you guys want to do a factory backed thing, so just do it.

00;50;46;21 - 00;50;56;15
Speaker 1
Yeah, they, I think lamborghini's like, oh, we very much want to do what the factory backing but we don't want to put the money in it. So Iron Lynx is going to take everything.

00;50;56;16 - 00;51;13;01
Speaker 2
It's so. No, you know what this is? I'll tell you exactly what this is. They want all of the credit, but none of the blades. But if it does really well, they want to be like, Oh yeah, it was their idea for good V12 or Big Engine. Yeah, that's us. That's what this is. If it flops, they're going to put all of this on iron legs, in my opinion.

00;51;13;01 - 00;51;15;09
Speaker 2
Oh, Iron Lynx. Yeah, they're idiots. I don't know.

00;51;16;04 - 00;51;17;16
Speaker 1
So one of the worst teams ever?

00;51;17;23 - 00;51;20;08
Speaker 2
Yeah. What are they doing? Ization.

00;51;20;08 - 00;51;22;07
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. We're never partnering with them again, ever.

00;51;22;07 - 00;51;43;25
Speaker 2
Yeah, I just think this is, like, such a sham. So, anyway, so the c63. It's a pointless car. Pointless, pointless car. Yes, it's decent looking. Yes, it probably sounds incredible, but I don't care because if it's not on the track, as far as I'm concerned, this is a mythical car. That's fair. We're never going to like never going to see this thing.

00;51;44;01 - 00;51;54;04
Speaker 2
So and I think they promised like six cars in them. So they're having a pretty good, they're like, oh yeah, two per series factory back and then the rest are custom cars kind of like a Porsche is doing. Yeah. And of course if you.

00;51;54;04 - 00;51;55;02
Speaker 1
Actually follow through with it.

00;51;55;02 - 00;51;59;06
Speaker 2
Yeah of course. Like if Porsche can do this why can't Lamborghini. That's what I don't understand.

00;51;59;23 - 00;52;04;00
Speaker 1
But speaking, you mentioned Koenigsegg kind of like humming in horn about the idea of they are.

00;52;04;01 - 00;52;04;08
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;52;05;00 - 00;52;07;13
Speaker 1
I want to kind of touch on Koenigsegg.

00;52;07;18 - 00;52;09;21
Speaker 2
I want to you and I about something. Yeah, yeah.

00;52;09;21 - 00;52;21;24
Speaker 1
I want to you and I about something and that you and specifically the Jumeirah of which when that was initially announced, how many years ago like it was, it wasn't too long ago.

00;52;22;01 - 00;52;25;00
Speaker 2
Now. A couple of years, couple of years or months later from cloning.

00;52;25;01 - 00;52;26;02
Speaker 1
Two door, four seater.

00;52;26;04 - 00;52;28;03
Speaker 2
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Four seater.

00;52;28;04 - 00;52;30;06
Speaker 1
Two four seater car from conexant.

00;52;30;06 - 00;52;35;23
Speaker 2
Not familiar with the Jumeirah Google this right now. Yeah. And like get caught up because this thing is just a behemoth.

00;52;35;26 - 00;53;00;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. So initially it still has the Koenigsegg doors. You have four seats and initially it had a three cylinder turbo with a battery in it. And then when Christian von Koenigsberg actually released it and did the full press release, he's like, Oh yeah, this is available with the three cylinder that we initially announced it. Or if you want, you can get it with the with the with the jesko engine and the hybridization.

00;53;00;26 - 00;53;04;04
Speaker 1
So it's, it's going to make 2300 horsepower.

00;53;04;16 - 00;53;07;19
Speaker 2
Yeah. What it's like, what did you just say.

00;53;07;28 - 00;53;09;23
Speaker 1
You so casual about it? Like 23.

00;53;09;23 - 00;53;17;18
Speaker 2
Hundred horsepower at least like drops. Yeah, it's all right. And it's just like. Yeah, it's like, pretty cool. Like, we were able to do this and what you need pretty cool Christian like.

00;53;17;27 - 00;53;39;28
Speaker 1
And watching him like you could, you could see he was containing his excitement about it. Like watching, watching this release. You could see he's kind of like, you know, like a five year old on the verge of getting a Christmas present. Like, you know, he's excited, but he's trying to act as professional as possible. But even like Mr. Gww, I don't know if you've seen some of his YouTube videos.

00;53;40;07 - 00;53;57;07
Speaker 1
He did this interview with the with Christian von Königsberg about the 850 and talking about the manual and automatic transmission because. It uses the light speed transmission, the nine speed, light speed. And then you can just kind of move the gear shifter over and then it's a six speed manual and there's no buttons you have to push. No nothing.

00;53;57;13 - 00;54;14;08
Speaker 2
If you listen to this part of the show by now, you would have looked up the jammer. You already know of this. If you find that one video that they put out, I mean, the fact they like stuff this jesko engine and do it, they're like, oh yeah, we had to like invert this. And like we redesigned this and like this transmission is actually next to the engine.

00;54;14;08 - 00;54;30;25
Speaker 2
And then it's just like, you're listening all this shit, and he's like, like they really it was basically the sequence and he almost admits this where it was basically, let's try this concept, okay? But this doesn't work. All right, let's change it. Okay. Okay, that Like we got a solution, but now this doesn't work. Okay, let's change it.

00;54;30;25 - 00;54;33;04
Speaker 2
And they just, like, kept changing stuff. They're like, Oh, yeah, it works.

00;54;33;25 - 00;54;34;25
Speaker 1
Well, imagine that.

00;54;35;11 - 00;54;53;06
Speaker 2
But it was just like, there's no need for any of this. Oh, now, by no means. You need a 2300 horsepower four seater. Comfortable for a comfortable four seater. I mean, it just it doesn't really it's just it's weird. Is that your head thinking about it?

00;54;53;06 - 00;55;00;19
Speaker 1
But it's like 2300 horsepower. This 2300 horsepower jumper is going to look make your Mercedes look like a Kia soul.

00;55;00;28 - 00;55;03;12
Speaker 2
It is essentially right now Kia soul spec wise.

00;55;03;16 - 00;55;03;27
Speaker 1
Yes.

00;55;04;09 - 00;55;23;01
Speaker 2
So there's like four, five times more torque than my car does. It's crazy. Yeah, my car could already twist a battleship. Yeah, this thing's got enough torque. Yeah. So pretty insane, man. Pretty insane stuff from Koenigsegg. I love that they keep pushing the boundaries. I love that they're just leading the charge of, like, you know, you put synthetic fuel in that car.

00;55;23;08 - 00;55;24;22
Speaker 2
That's it.

00;55;24;22 - 00;55;26;25
Speaker 1
When it runs on synthetic fuel, I don't.

00;55;26;25 - 00;55;33;18
Speaker 2
Well, almost every car does. Yeah, but like, it's just the notion of. Hang on. Is that a Honda Civic?

00;55;33;18 - 00;55;42;00
Speaker 1
No, it's a Volkswagen Jetta. It's disgusting. I'm going to say, for those who don't know, we're sitting in a car in a do it yourself car wash to avoid hail.

00;55;42;01 - 00;55;47;07
Speaker 2
Yes, the storm just went by. There was actually hail, but not where we were. Oh, okay. It's like probably.

00;55;47;10 - 00;55;50;05
Speaker 1
So we would have just gotten somewhat wet. Yes. Okay.

00;55;51;00 - 00;56;14;13
Speaker 2
But it's the notion of like you could run that jammer on synthetic fuel net zero emissions. The thing is just an absolute monster, but it's it's kind of like, you know, we were just tripping Lamborghini. But what Lamborghini said in their one press releases, yes, this is a V12, but we want to show that emissions don't mean sacrificing performance.

00;56;15;00 - 00;56;21;05
Speaker 2
It you know, there's different ways to get around this, which I think is admirable. And I think it's something where if you look at Koenigsegg.

00;56;22;03 - 00;56;24;16
Speaker 1
That's what they've been doing for five years.

00;56;24;16 - 00;56;47;08
Speaker 2
Yeah. Like, I mean, they've just been finding more ways to make power with the same kind of setup, right? Like it's not like they got like a fucking 16 liter engine, crazy plane engine sticking of the back of this thing. Right. It's just finding more ways to get more power out of the same space. Efficient is getting more out of the same right power, gas, fuel, distance, whatever.

00;56;47;21 - 00;56;55;23
Speaker 2
So I think it's just something that kind of gets forgotten about a little bit. Yeah. Just plug in synthetic fuel or hydrogen and bingo and go. Go for out.

00;56;56;08 - 00;56;57;07
Speaker 1
All right, let's go for a drive.

00;56;58;01 - 00;56;58;29
Speaker 2
Yeah, this is the first.

00;56;58;29 - 00;56;59;16
Speaker 1
I sit down.

00;56;59;25 - 00;57;02;08
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah, this is our first mobile.

00;57;02;17 - 00;57;02;29
Speaker 1
Moving.

00;57;02;29 - 00;57;10;26
Speaker 2
Really moving mobile podcast that we've had click. Pretty interesting. I can't do manual mode. I'm going to end up in a ditch.

00;57;12;09 - 00;57;15;06
Speaker 1
I mean, I would be surprised. I am. I hope we don't end up in the ditch.

00;57;15;06 - 00;57;18;29
Speaker 2
I am holding a microphone right now. Wilt's driving. I don't recommend that going.

00;57;18;29 - 00;57;19;21
Speaker 1
Down the runway.

00;57;20;15 - 00;57;25;01
Speaker 2
Well, we're not the wrong way on the road. Don't tell the people that we're wrong. Way out of the car wash.

00;57;25;05 - 00;57;25;21
Speaker 1
There you go.

00;57;25;26 - 00;57;28;21
Speaker 2
There we go. Um, yeah, it is wet outside.

00;57;28;21 - 00;57;44;01
Speaker 1
It is very wet. So the next thing I want to talk about is, like, I want to there's been a specific Formula One driver that left Formula One, and he's making a comeback. Ramon Gershon. I know. Daniel, we're here.

00;57;44;01 - 00;58;06;21
Speaker 2
Yes, yeah, yeah. No, Daniel is back. Yeah. And I'm sure you would have heard this by now, but, I mean, let's just talk about how triumph in this return really is, how uncommon it is for a Formula One driver to come back after getting fired, right? Yes. You never see it. You never see it every single time a guy leaves F1.

00;58;07;20 - 00;58;16;10
Speaker 2
I mean, that's I mean that's it's it, right? Like, I mean, the torpedo. You're done, right? Yeah. It's gone. Like, it's super, super hard.

00;58;17;07 - 00;58;18;19
Speaker 1
To, to return.

00;58;18;19 - 00;58;37;20
Speaker 2
Yeah. If you get fired on, on. Just, like, not performing, you're not coming back. Sebastian bought a IMSA racer. Guy's a legend. Yeah, but I mean, he barely lasted at Toro Rosso, so I mean, Nick DAVIES is out. Yes. Stinky performance. Absolutely. Didn't realize the guys like 28 or 29 by the way got. Oh wow. So that's probably all she wrote for him.

00;58;38;03 - 00;58;57;15
Speaker 2
But Daniel is back. I think F1 is a lot better for it. I think he's a more marketable guy, of course, but I think he's genuinely a good dude. I think he's a great racer. Sounds like he's super in love with the sport again. I guess you can. Yeah. He just seems a lot more motivated, a lot more chipper.

00;58;57;15 - 00;59;01;02
Speaker 2
You just seem down on McLaren, man. Like McLaren destroyed him as a person.

00;59;01;02 - 00;59;19;09
Speaker 1
You know, they put him in such a shit car that everything he tried to do to perform as good as he can didn't allow him to either finish because I know he got how how many DNF in that car as a car just.

00;59;19;18 - 00;59;20;12
Speaker 2
I think the bigger.

00;59;20;12 - 00;59;21;02
Speaker 1
Braking.

00;59;21;03 - 00;59;43;19
Speaker 2
Was getting like outqualified by his teammate. Yeah but if you looked at it and we talked about this with Andrew and what he had said was like, I mean, Norris is getting like P9. Yes, he makes it into Q3 guys like P9 quality, right? Yeah. And then Daniel's like P11, P12, it's like that's not far off, but all you see in the headlines, it's all he didn't make it out of Q2.

00;59;43;20 - 00;59;56;17
Speaker 2
It's like, dude, he's three positions back. Like, Who the fuck cares? And you got to remember the position or so the points difference between like 10th and eighth, right? You look at that at the end of the year, if one guys get in 10th, one guys got an eighth. Yeah, the points split is going to be like three times more.

00;59;56;24 - 01;00;08;15
Speaker 2
Yeah, it looks bad on paper. Yeah. Then you start to think about it. It's like now the average position difference was like two or three, which is like really not that bad when you consider they tailored that car for Lando and not for Daniel.

01;00;08;28 - 01;00;09;26
Speaker 1
Oh, 100%.

01;00;09;26 - 01;00;13;01
Speaker 2
That was the biggest problem with it, right? It was not ever made for him.

01;00;13;03 - 01;00;17;25
Speaker 1
But yeah, I think that's it. That's. That's all I really have to talk about.

01;00;18;22 - 01;00;33;20
Speaker 2
Yeah. I don't. I think there's a lot of stuff I think we've got to keep our eye on on for the next couple of weeks. We really have to see if this trend continues. I want to see what happens with the kind of end of this Barbie promotion, which we should see that and I don't know, but a week or so.

01;00;33;26 - 01;00;34;05
Speaker 2
Yep.

01;00;34;20 - 01;00;43;29
Speaker 1
I mean, come Tuesday, Wednesday, we're going to know what the new new month update is going to be like for for. Yeah. And then be able to see the cars.

01;00;43;29 - 01;01;00;11
Speaker 2
That'll be important. So we'll, you know, get those tinfoil hat back on. I still think it's got something to do with that Mike Brown guy, Le'Veon. But we'll see, man. We'll see if this trend kind of continues a little bit. But I think that's all I got right now. Thanks again, Sam. Fellows, what a great time at camp.

01;01;00;17 - 01;01;14;14
Speaker 2
Yeah, definitely one get to some more IMSA races. I would love to get to Road Atlanta for the season finale. Oh yeah. So where if you can get to it, if you live in the area, you're a muppet if you don't go because that's going to be such a good race. Definitely got to your local track.

01;01;14;15 - 01;01;15;18
Speaker 1
Outfielder in Atlanta.

01;01;15;29 - 01;01;28;00
Speaker 2
Oh, my God. Yes, I'm sure we'll see. But something something, it's just get to a track, get to a race, get off one on your TV, you know, enjoy it. Right. The summer's in full swing right now.

01;01;28;00 - 01;01;29;21
Speaker 1
Have some rancho relaxers, have.

01;01;29;21 - 01;01;52;12
Speaker 2
Some ranch, relax, find some ranch water. It's very good. Alcoholic, spicy beverage, but mad. Yeah. Summer's in full swing. Get the windows down. Get off her critters. Put some. You know, it's weekend right now. Get a race on the TV. It doesn't matter what it is. Touring car rally Australian Supercars shut out by the way. Shane van Gisbergen come on, Chicago, First Street, Race, Dust, Everybody in sight.

01;01;52;20 - 01;01;57;21
Speaker 2
BackStory really quick guys. An Australian Supercars driver, three time world champion.

01;01;57;21 - 01;01;58;09
Speaker 1
No big deal.

01;01;58;15 - 01;02;04;02
Speaker 2
Unbelievable driver you got if you watch this guy, he's so calmly aggressive. I've never seen anything like it.

01;02;04;02 - 01;02;05;25
Speaker 1
He's composed in every single situation.

01;02;05;25 - 01;02;30;19
Speaker 2
But he's just an assassin. But Guy walks into NASCAR, Chicago street race does everybody. Everybody wins a race every single like old school NASCAR guy is booby pants about the whole thing. Hilarious to watch. Every true racing fan could appreciate how slick that was. I know we were watching, not jumping up and down, man. Just one of those moments in motorsport where you're like, God damn, I'm glad I saw that live.

01;02;30;28 - 01;02;49;10
Speaker 2
So get your TV's on. Get F1. Go. F1 is kind of boring. Now get a supercars going. IMSA available to stream. See you anywhere except for the states. So if you're in the States, I think you're on your own. You might think, yeah, that's the pirate hat out. We'll leave it at that. Thank you once again for joining us on the For the World podcast.

01;02;50;02 - 01;03;02;28
Speaker 2
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01;03;03;13 - 01;03;21;25
Speaker 3
Know, I did it all before you. This stuff, all the stuff, all the stuff. Stuff.