Is Fujimi Kaido Returning? Forza Horizon Italian Cars + More

In our most organized, funniest, and purely Forza-focused episode yet, we tackle one of the biggest question marks about the upcoming Forza Motorsport game: will Fujimi Kaido be there? We've got an answer by breaking it down methodically and based on some interesting things we've come across.  Aren was feeling especially negative about a few things, taking the reigns on this week's Complaint Corner for the first time ever about the Italian Cars that were recently added to Horizon 5 and some of the suspect car choices, and even the manufacturer wheel choices. From there, Jason gets particularly riled up about the lack of additional manufacturer wheel choices available for each car, and also the lack of customization options available in the Paint Booth. No F*** That Car this week due to the unusual level of quality (baseless) rants and great points! We round out this episode with arguably our funniest moment yet regarding a very recent giveaway. 

If you're new to the show, this is a great episode to start with, and if this isn't your first rodeo, buckle up - Episode 15 is our best yet.  

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Speaker 1
No way for you to get it on your own. Extolled the liberty of Knock, knock.

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Speaker 2
Open up the door. The spring did not stop for a while and stay in the stairwell. Go hard, getting.

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Speaker 1
Blessed with it. I got such a good heart that I missed the mother one day, she said. Damn right you're not. Do it again. Yeah. Welcome into episode.

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Speaker 3
15 of the For the World Podcast.

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Speaker 4
Episode 15 All.

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Speaker 3
Yes, sir. All right. With. With all the hiatuses, we think it's going to be like it's 50.

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Speaker 4
It's its own fucking schedule.

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Speaker 3
That's true. That's true. Speaking of schedules, actually, yes. We've got a lot today. Like we're getting right into this. I'm cracking this beer. I got this beer going right now.

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Speaker 1
Get a good.

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Speaker 3
It's a stupid Molson Canadian, but I mean, no, this is we've got a ton of fours and stuff for you can do. We've got a bunch of motorsport, right? Like, I mean, there's a lot of track talk. Yep. Right now. Two very interesting. Possibly new, possibly returning tracks.

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Speaker 4
Yep. We're going to go over that. Yeah. In the show for sure.

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Speaker 3
We've got some talk about the recent Forza Horizon five Italian update the got Alfa's back. We got fired back, uh, last year. We got a couple of problems too, because we always complain on the show. Oh, yeah, we've got some. We'll talk. We've got some manufacturer part talk as well. Yeah. When it comes to motorsport and just kind of our general philosophy on a couple of things, but something I'm going to get out of the way right from the start is this Barbie stuff.

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Speaker 3
Okay, you guys are flaming me online. You guys are torching me, okay? I don't want to hear it.

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Speaker 1
I stand by my point.

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Speaker 3
The only thing I want to say and the only thing I'm going to say on the matter is I'm not talking about the cars in game, for God's sake, Aaron. I like the Corvette. I love the Hummer. Actually, I want if.

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Speaker 4
I have limited vehicles.

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Speaker 3
Yes. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the way it was marketed and the giveaway with the lip gloss and the faceplate controllers that were kind of felt kind of cheap.

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Speaker 4
And the fake flip phone.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, it's just. Well, we'll get into that a little bit more when we talk about giveaways, but that's all I'm saying on the matter. I stand by my point. Just no, I'm not talking about the cars because the cars were sick. That's it. That's all I'm talking about. But we got some forms and stuff.

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Speaker 4
We still have some forms of stuff. So first thing, like Jason said, we have some track talk with with the new motorsport game, there are, what was it, 14 or 16 out of the 20 tracks that have been.

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Speaker 3
I think it's 14 maybe it is 16 tracks. But around there, that's what's been confirmed so far. So far we've got some new stuff like Kyalami, which is South African circuit. Yep. Beautiful, right. I think F1 is going back there. It's a fire grade ag or whatever the hell they call it. It's a top end track. It's going to be awesome.

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Speaker 3
We've got I don't know what with how.

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Speaker 4
Well they're Silverstone that's coming back. Obviously there is Road America which is coming back. I'm sure all of the other tracks that we're used to, their.

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Speaker 3
Nurburgring has been Nurburgring every game. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
But the two tracks that I really want to highlight are Interlagos. And so. Jimmy Kaido. Mm hmm. Now, there was a pole. That was Junichiro. So. Jimmy Kaido. Okay, and that's a that's a name that you and I both recognized.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, I perked up right away.

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Speaker 4
A lot of the community knows very, very well. That was huge with drifters. That was huge with Hill climbers, stuff like that, with Interlagos. And for Jimmy Kaido, there was a poll that was done to see which track people would want to come back, like.

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Speaker 3
Fawcett did a poll.

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Speaker 4
For us. It did a poll okay for us. It did a poll to see which track would get the most votes. Interlagos got the most votes. Jimmy Carter came in second.

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Speaker 3
Which makes interesting. Yeah, a little bit. I would have thought that Jimmy Carter would have been a little bit above it, but interlagos is like.

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Speaker 4
Interloper track's sick track, so either way I'd be happy with either one. But this is where I want to get some insight and some thoughts into it.

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Speaker 3
All right.

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Speaker 4
With Interlagos, that is a licensed track. That is a Formula One. FIA licensed track. There's a lot of hoops that they're going to have to jump through to get that track into the gate.

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Speaker 3
Like rights and. Yep, yeah. Okay. And like scanning too, I guess.

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Speaker 4
Right, exactly. Yeah. With Jimmy Kaido, it wasn't an actual track. That was something that the developers created. They scanned an environment and they created something to what they thought was going to be great.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, like it's a four is a made up track, like burning knobs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha.

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Speaker 4
So they wouldn't have to jump through any licensing hoops to get for Jimmy Kaido back in the game. So I think between those two, I think it would be more likely for us to see for Jimmy Kaido. But either way, if we see Interlagos or Ford, Jimmy Kaido, I'm happy. 100% happy.

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Speaker 3
You know what? It's interesting because like you think about forces very selective with who they interact with, right? Yes. I think largely and every once in a while I see them interact with Jimmy Carter comments. They see it. I see it. I got a couple of screenshots somewhere. But like, I mean, come on, every time they're announcing tracks the past a little bit, they've got like four or five on their Instagram already have just like, oh, wrote Atlanta or wrote America or whatever the hell.

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Speaker 1
And the big comment is.

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Speaker 4
Comments is just interlagos for Jimmy Carter. Yes, for Jimmy Carter. Interlagos. But you know.

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Speaker 1
The whole thing. The whole thing, it's just people yelling off into the void. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
If we don't get Jimmy Carter, we will riot. Those are some comments on yes, people want this track back so bad and I get it. It is such a fantastic track.

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Speaker 3
It's a good point, though, of if you had to pick two and this is there like official poll you're saying, right? Yes. So okay. So if you're for that, you're probably doing that because you only have time for so many, but at least for licensing wise stuff. Yeah, I feel like for Jimmy Carter was a lot easier and they've taken a lot of time with this game and that kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 3
It's kind of a pissed off fan base right now. We've been waiting a long time for a game. I kind of expected to see it anyways. Deep down, that's a good point. If you're going to get interlagos, you're probably gonna get both. Yeah. And if you get in one of the two, it's there's a lot less whoops with food.

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Speaker 4
You mean kind of.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah. No one even makes them take some liberties and like, change it up a little bit too.

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Speaker 4
I'm interested if they do a name change or if they change some of the corners or if they change the layout of the track. There's a lot of stuff that they could do with for Jimmy Carter. They could make it a completely different track. And I think that's one of the.

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Speaker 3
Things I like Jimmy Kaido, too.

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Speaker 4
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Interesting.

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Speaker 4
But if you remember back and forth as a motorsport three.

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Speaker 3
Amalfi Coast.

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Speaker 4
Amalfi Coast. Yeah, yeah. Fantastic track. And it was long. It was a very long.

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Speaker 3
And that was like a fake based on a real thing, but fake track. Fake track. My favorite ever. Yes.

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Speaker 4
Forza Motorsport four. Where do they go? Shorter or shorter? It was wait, wait.

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Speaker 3
Right.

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Speaker 4
So they they like cornered the.

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Speaker 3
Track, so. Oh, okay, I get what you're saying. So you're saying that what if you look.

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Speaker 4
At that too, for Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 3
Right? Oh, fuck. That would kind of suck. So you're saying that Amalfi Coast, if you look back on it, three versus four, when they brought it into four, was it a different circuit or was it shortened?

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Speaker 4
It was just shortened. So it was the same way.

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Speaker 3
It was the same available in three. Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 4
So I but they took out the big long version.

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Speaker 3
So I wonder what if they do reverse? What if it's longer? What if the new one that they're bringing is an extended version.

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Speaker 4
Of a Jimmy Carter? Yeah. Oh, done. Easy.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, that'd be interesting.

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Speaker 4
I'd be fine with that. I do not care if I didn't really have to get around that track. Yeah, I would. I have no issue.

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Speaker 3
Did they take back nine and a half? Did they ever expand on the Bernie's ops?

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Speaker 4
Nope. They have the three layouts.

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Speaker 3
And it's been the same always.

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Speaker 4
In the same same layouts. But they have the three different layouts and you can do forwards or reverse in any of those layouts. All of those are fun.

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Speaker 3
I you know what? I bet you they do for Jimmy Kaido, too.

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Speaker 4
Yeah, like a second one. Yeah. Upgraded version. I don't.

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Speaker 3
Even. Yeah. Upgraded or something.

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Speaker 4
You know, whatever.

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Speaker 3
I bet you they do that. I hope they still have the short little stages because I love those. And then you do heats with the really slow cars. Yeah. My favorite thing, the god damn world taking like a a a d class and just doing, like, all the different heats. Yeah, yeah. It was fun and.

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Speaker 4
Trying to absolutely bomb through the entirety.

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Speaker 3
Of.

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Speaker 4
The jimmy comes in a volkswagen.

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Speaker 3
Fox. I hope that happens. Interlagos would be awesome. It's just a little different. It's very nurburgring ish, right? Like it's it's tight turns, it's fine elevation change. It's just different. It's not a standard set circuit. Yeah, it has its own individual challenges, so that's interesting, man. Okay, so you're saying you're like and that's looking.

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Speaker 4
I, I would much rather have a Jimmy Carter in the game than Interlock.

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Speaker 3
Oh, absolutely, dude. 100%. But that's me. But yeah, if.

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Speaker 4
We end up getting one of the two, I'd be happy with either. Okay. That's what I'm saying. Okay. So another thing with the motorsport release.

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Speaker 3
They just announced a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 4
They have announced a bunch of stuff. So if you go on to the Forza Motorsport Instagram page, they have all the tracks. You can see all the people rave about for Jimmy, Title Interlagos, all that stuff. But another thing that they have been releasing is some of the car list.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. And I'm going to read out some of these.

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Speaker 4
I would love for you to read some of these cars.

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Speaker 3
I've got these here. So these are these are like highlighted ones. We've got the Mercedes AMG one, we have the remote Navarra, the Automobili, Pininfarina, Battista, we've got the Koenigsberg Jesko, Aston Martin Valhalla concept car. Okay. Specifically the concept car, Bugatti Divo, Lamborghini, Sian Razr, Taycan Speed. Don't even know the hell that is. I feel like I should know what that is.

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Speaker 3
Rimac Concept two is an vo czar. S Apollo intense, ambitious Italian word we've got 2017 is your RS. That's not a fucking new car. And the.

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Speaker 1
Neo. The Neo.

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Speaker 4
Ep9.

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Speaker 1
Ep9. What the hell is that? Okay, so. So what the hell is this thing? Because they're all.

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Speaker 3
Like, highlighted. They're saying these are all new.

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Speaker 4
Okay, so I don't get this is this is where the issues come in is we have new to motorsport, we have new to Forza. All of the cars that you mentioned that are highlighted are new to motorsport. They are cars that have not been featured in a Forza motorsport game. They have been featured in other Forza games, but not motorsport.

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Speaker 3
God dammit. At the bottom of this thing, it's got the tiniest asterisks saying, Oh yeah, yeah, new to motorsport.

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Speaker 1
Who really cares? I don't care about these.

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Speaker 4
Like, now there is one car that you mentioned on that list that is new to Forza.

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Speaker 3
Is it the racer? Nope. Is that the Pininfarina? Yep. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4
That is the only new to Forza car.

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Speaker 1
That is. That's out of that whole list of.

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Speaker 4
That entire list. That is the only one that is new to Forza as a franchise. Every single other one of those has been in some. Yeah. Like four a game most.

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Speaker 3
Of them I recognized for.

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Speaker 4
Sure then the Lamborghini Cien, which is technically the Roadster and Horizon five, but it's the same one with the.

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Speaker 3
Concept car, the Valhalla one that's.

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Speaker 4
In Horizon five. The concept the concept is in Horizon Hollow.

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Speaker 3
I mean, okay. So yeah, because like most of these I recognize, like of course I want to wear, I saw the AMG one before or fucking.

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Speaker 4
Oh jeez. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Cover car by the way which you don't know anyways.

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Speaker 1
So, so anyways if you've been living under a rock so ridiculous like like who? Who cares? Okay.

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Speaker 3
Sure. Look, why make that distinction? Like, if you can see the graphic, it's like all highlighted and all this stuff and there's just a little ostrich like it saying new to motorsport specifically, but it doesn't. Who cares? Okay, it's a car. You're announcing your car. Less big deal.

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Speaker 4
Now. But that's one of the things that frustrate me is they're trying to make this seem exciting. If you another car that is coming to Forza motorsport is the Lamborghini Huracan sto. That's technically.

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Speaker 3
Where.

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Speaker 4
Motorsport the new motorsport came the hurricane sto. Okay. Because that was released in horizon five and everyone lost their mind because it's a fantastic car.

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Speaker 3
Yes.

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Speaker 4
That is coming to the new motorsport game. That's not on the list, but that's one that's going technically a new to motorsport car.

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Speaker 3
But who? Who cares?

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Speaker 4
Who cares?

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Speaker 3
Yeah, that's that's why.

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Speaker 4
If you're getting excited about the cars that are new to motorsport, I get it because some of these cars are meant for racetracks. But on track to.

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Speaker 3
I think that's the expectation though. Yes, that's. Yes, yes, yes. Problem. Yes. Okay.

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Speaker 4
But if you're releasing cars that are new to Forza that have not been seen in a for a game, those are the ones you need to advertise. You're trying to build excitement for this game. You need to advertise what no one else has seen before.

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Speaker 3
Yes. Stuff you haven't had. Yes. We've seen all of these cars. Exactly. Use them. Okay. All right. I get that. That makes sense. I mean, the driving dynamics, of course, are going to be different and all that. But yeah.

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Speaker 4
With the way the physics are, with the way that they change the tire compounds and how the tire interacts with the road, I'm super excited for that, especially when it comes to actually driving these cars, right?

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Speaker 1
Yeah, but that's the game. Hey, can we get some goddamn.

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Speaker 3
More clarity on what the game modes are going to be? Holy cow. Oh, my God. Just something like we're getting drip fed. All of this. This news, which isn't news.

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Speaker 4
It's not news.

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Speaker 3
Like, let's hear about what the game's like in the game, by the way, the game better be good. Like I'm I'm expecting it will be good they've had certainly enough time I'm drift.

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Speaker 4
Cautiously optimistic and you know why I don't know motorsport five.

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Speaker 3
Oh motorsport 5ci okay. I know I enjoyed it, but it stunk when it came out.

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Speaker 4
Yes, but yeah. So this is where my concern is with the change from motorsport for which a lot of people argue is the greatest racing game of all time.

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Speaker 3
Yeah, it's up there.

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Speaker 4
A lot of people do that with the change from motorsport four to motorsport five. You were going from the Xbox 360 to the Xbox Generational. Yeah, you had a generation change of Xboxes with those two games. People had huge expectations for that game and they completely shit the bed when that came out. Okay, holy shit. The bed. So with the new motorsport game you have, you're going from the Xbox One to the Xbox series consoles, which are a completely different yes, they can technically run the same games.

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Speaker 4
If you have a series console, you can play the older games. But if you have a game that is optimized for the series, S or X, it does not perform as well on the older consoles.

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Speaker 3
Oh, so this is a.

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Speaker 4
Little this is a switcheroo. This is a bit of a generational thing. So are they tailoring it for the S X consoles or are they optimizing it for the consoles because Horizon five is optimized for those consoles?

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Speaker 3
Mm hmm. I was going to yell at you. Okay? And what I was going to say was, you know, with Forza Motorsport five, when that game was released, the console was released. So it was a bit of a mess. It was a rush job. I'll defend the developers a lot actually with that game because they didn't have enough time for it to be where it was.

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Speaker 3
But I understand what you're saying. Consoles been out for a while, right? You're going to optimize that. The game is still available for the last gen consoles. Shades of, dare I say, Horizon two being a absolute piece of crap for the 360 in comparison to its counterpart, the Xbox One. Correct. So what you're trying to say and I think I agree with this, is the game might be a bit of a dog on a non modern Xbox One console.

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Speaker 4
That is exactly what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3
And I agree with that. My bet there will be a dog.

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Speaker 4
My concern for that is if they are trying to make sure it is playable and somewhat enjoyable on those consoles, that is taking away more time for developing to make it that much better on the new one's big.

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Speaker 3
Brain, to be honest. Like the fucking one. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 4
You see what I mean.

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Speaker 1
100%.

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Speaker 3
I'm not going to think about that any other way now. Yeah, like that's 100%. They're probably wasting all their time making this thing backwards compatible, I guess. I don't know what the hell the lingo is. And then that's why the drift and drag stuff. How are you going to optimize it for my absolute piece of crap Xbox A game that's supposed to be like technologically advanced, everything.

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Speaker 3
It's probably going to look like I have cataracts and I'll be standing two feet from the screen.

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Speaker 1
And I'm sure it will be because Horizon five.

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Speaker 3
Looks like dog water on my Xbox right now. I have a pretty good TV and it still looks like crap. I can do the the. What the hell is it called when you stream it on your computer?

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Speaker 4
I know. I can't remember the name of it. Cloud gaming.

00;16;22;28 - 00;16;36;07
Speaker 3
Cloud gaming. So when you do when you do cloud gaming, it's sharp, right? Because it's emulated Aran or whatever the hell on an Xbox series X. Yeah, and it looks awesome and I know what that game is capable of that that's my point. I know what.

00;16;36;07 - 00;16;39;09
Speaker 4
It can do on my console because I have the series X. Yeah, it's fantastic.

00;16;39;09 - 00;16;40;24
Speaker 3
Yeah. Humblebrag, beautiful. Yeah, it's.

00;16;40;24 - 00;16;42;14
Speaker 4
Dude, I'm as humble as I can be.

00;16;42;14 - 00;16;57;07
Speaker 3
No, I know, but it's like, if it looks great fully aware of what that game is capable of, when you see both sides to it, you're like, Oh my God. Like, I kind of hate you. Get used to it like anything, right? You play it enough, you don't know the difference, but side by side it's like, holy cow.

00;16;57;14 - 00;17;09;13
Speaker 3
So yeah, that's a good argument, man. Is how much features or how many features are you losing? I'm a little surprised that it is going back that far. I kind of thought my Xbox was going to get left in the dust. I don't even know if we talked about this on the show yet.

00;17;09;20 - 00;17;11;26
Speaker 4
I don't think we talked about it, but we made a post about it.

00;17;11;26 - 00;17;32;28
Speaker 3
Yeah, if I don't remember if we talked about it last time, but they will not be having any drift or drag events at launch won't happen. This is just events. It sounds like you still should be able to do like freestyle kind of those game modes. Like I think they'll still have a drag strip and you can just like free play, but there won't be set events for sure.

00;17;32;28 - 00;17;34;28
Speaker 3
Not going to be multiplayer on those, but.

00;17;34;28 - 00;17;55;25
Speaker 4
If it's anything like the Forza Motorsport seven multiplayer where you can have the open track days and stuff like that, those were a lot of fun. The open drift meetups in the Open Drag Meetups and the Open Airfield Meetups, I love those things. I'd go into those all the time. I'd rip cars around, I'd embarrass people that are driving faster cars because they don't know how to turn a corner properly.

00;17;56;07 - 00;18;17;23
Speaker 4
But other than that, I find it. I find those events enjoyable, and if those events themselves are in the launch, I'd be fine with it. But they do need to get those drift and drag events back into the game. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's free, but I would be disappointed if we have to pay for it.

00;18;18;17 - 00;18;21;06
Speaker 3
For those events. You think we'd have to pay for those events if.

00;18;21;06 - 00;18;30;02
Speaker 4
If they came back in a paid expansion for drift and drag? Who's motorsport drift and drag and you have to pay ten bucks or something like that. I would be disappointed.

00;18;30;04 - 00;18;35;28
Speaker 3
That would be icky, man. I would hope they don't do that. Jesus says that would be an all time money grab.

00;18;36;10 - 00;18;38;07
Speaker 4
When when else have they done stuff like that?

00;18;38;14 - 00;18;38;26
Speaker 3
Have they?

00;18;39;11 - 00;18;44;02
Speaker 4
Haven't they? Haven't they had vehicles or things locked behind a paywall.

00;18;44;02 - 00;18;47;09
Speaker 3
I don't know what game mode. So that that'd be a new one.

00;18;47;18 - 00;18;48;18
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's fair.

00;18;48;26 - 00;18;52;29
Speaker 3
Maybe that is why it's being separated. That would be a dude. You'd piss off a lot of people.

00;18;52;29 - 00;18;54;20
Speaker 4
You would though. You would do something like that.

00;18;54;26 - 00;19;07;22
Speaker 3
It would have to be like an expanded version is paid or something, I don't know. But anyways, those events, that's what they're saying is events will not be available at launch. So we'll see what that ends up meaning. But that's the reality right now is for sure at launch it won't be there.

00;19;08;02 - 00;19;18;03
Speaker 4
You know what I would love to know if you know how you have the starting cars. Yeah, there's always a story. Yeah. I want you to tell me what my choices are. Starting cars.

00;19;18;03 - 00;19;22;14
Speaker 3
Yes. Tell me what the starter cars are. Yeah, I love that idea. That's it? Yeah.

00;19;22;15 - 00;19;29;28
Speaker 4
Like, just. Just. Yeah, put, put a page of the three different starter cars that I can choose from in the new motorsport career.

00;19;30;07 - 00;19;30;22
Speaker 3
Yes.

00;19;31;02 - 00;19;42;05
Speaker 4
Done. Yeah, that's it. Leave it at that. Because irrelevant to what those cars are, unless they're like supercars or hypercars, then I'm going to be pissed off because those aren't starter cars unless you're a fucking millionaire.

00;19;42;10 - 00;19;42;27
Speaker 3
Yes.

00;19;43;11 - 00;19;47;06
Speaker 4
Like give me a Volkswagen Fox. Give me some fucking Alfa Brera.

00;19;47;10 - 00;19;49;24
Speaker 3
Alfa Brera. Oh, my God. What a starter car.

00;19;49;25 - 00;19;52;18
Speaker 4
That Alfa Brera. That's a fucking Italian car.

00;19;52;25 - 00;19;54;28
Speaker 1
Yes. And although Brera.

00;19;54;28 - 00;19;58;00
Speaker 3
Was not in this Italian update.

00;19;58;00 - 00;19;58;14
Speaker 4
Update?

00;19;58;20 - 00;20;01;12
Speaker 3
Yeah, I thought for sure it was going to be by the way, you know what?

00;20;01;19 - 00;20;07;26
Speaker 4
Normally it's Jason's complete corner, but no, this time, God, it's fucking Aaron's complaints taking over.

00;20;07;28 - 00;20;09;02
Speaker 3
Because to me, this.

00;20;09;02 - 00;20;30;11
Speaker 4
Is absolute bullshit. So, first of all, I'm going to kind of do a little detour around the corner because yeah, we're getting a lot of Italian cars back. This is awesome. Everyone's happy looking. Yeah, this is bullshit. First of all, the Alfa Brera is not in the pack. It should have been in the pack. There's a lot of Alfa Romeo's that should have been in the pack.

00;20;30;17 - 00;20;50;03
Speaker 4
There's a lot of Lancia's that should have been in the pack. There's a lot of fits that should have been in the pack. But were they? No, because Forza doesn't know how to choose cars to put in their fucking game, and that pisses me off. So the cars that are in the game that they're bringing back, I'm super excited about because the of the Alfa AC is in there, but the AC Spider isn't.

00;20;50;09 - 00;21;19;05
Speaker 4
And you know what wheels are on the Alfa AC, the stinky ones, the stinky five spoke Corvette wheels because they stink. The second one is the Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, which is a fantastic car. Ferrari V6 shout out Awesome Engine, but it's 2017. So you're telling me that you just copy and pasted all of these cars from Forza Horizon four or Forza Motorsport seven and just, you know, control C Drag Control V And that was it.

00;21;19;05 - 00;21;39;23
Speaker 4
And that's all you did. And you thought, Oh yeah, we did a good job. Let's, you know, touch up the paint a little bit, change the lighting, make it look a little bit better. But you didn't do any actual effort to update these cars, and then you have a paid pack on top of that. Which am I probably going to buy this paid pack 100%, man, because I'm a fool with my money and I like to buy things.

00;21;39;23 - 00;21;40;28
Speaker 3
And Forza you are decent.

00;21;40;28 - 00;21;59;13
Speaker 4
For course I am a simple for Forza and it sucks because there are so many things that I would like to change about this game. But I can't because no one listens to us. However, the the biggest the biggest piss off. I hate this because guess what one of these paid cars is what? Another Lamborghini Huracan.

00;21;59;14 - 00;22;00;13
Speaker 3
Oh, my God.

00;22;00;13 - 00;22;01;26
Speaker 1
Another Lamborghini.

00;22;02;01 - 00;22;03;07
Speaker 4
Is the hurricane Tecnica.

00;22;03;12 - 00;22;07;14
Speaker 1
And technically, is that technically there's two Lamborghini.

00;22;07;14 - 00;22;16;22
Speaker 4
Hurricanes in this pack because one of them is the super trofeo evo, which is like some super this track car. So we have two Lamborghini hurricanes.

00;22;16;23 - 00;22;17;14
Speaker 3
I got a big problem.

00;22;17;14 - 00;22;34;00
Speaker 4
One of those is a track car. There's another track car that's coming in there. There is a Italian Italdesign concept car that was technically supposed to come out with the Hot Wheels car pack expansion thing that was initially in the trailers. That wasn't it.

00;22;34;00 - 00;22;34;13
Speaker 3
Wasn't.

00;22;34;24 - 00;22;46;24
Speaker 4
So it didn't come out. It was in the trailer, but they didn't come out. They came out with the 96 to see the Super nine, six to see sick car. So I don't really care for that. But they're bringing this car back, being like.

00;22;46;24 - 00;22;50;03
Speaker 1
Oh, surprise, guess what's coming. It's I mean, how amazing is that?

00;22;50;03 - 00;22;54;27
Speaker 4
Everyone's like, Yeah, we already knew that car was coming in the game, so I just it's just late.

00;22;54;27 - 00;22;58;24
Speaker 1
Hang on. We're not pushing over that. So they just, like, didn't release the car.

00;22;58;24 - 00;23;12;20
Speaker 4
This car was in the trailer. Everyone got super excited. They saw this car in the trailer. They said, this car is coming to the game. And then the Forza released the expansion pack and everyone's like, Where's this car? And force is was like, Oh yeah, we took it out and we swapped it for something else.

00;23;13;17 - 00;23;16;28
Speaker 3
I didn't know about that. Yep, that stinks.

00;23;16;28 - 00;23;20;00
Speaker 4
That was the Italdesign concept. You know what else? Diablo or something like that.

00;23;20;12 - 00;23;30;24
Speaker 3
You know what stinks, by the way? What stinks what you said and will cease complaint corner. But I was going to keep going. You need a fucking Prozac or something. Jesus.

00;23;31;02 - 00;23;34;00
Speaker 1
Okay. The Alfa Romeo.

00;23;34;00 - 00;23;36;11
Speaker 3
Quadrifoglio gli or whatever the hell it's called. Okay. Because the.

00;23;36;13 - 00;23;36;21
Speaker 4
Type.

00;23;36;22 - 00;23;56;23
Speaker 3
Yes, that car you make a good point because they updated some of the driving dynamics. Fine. And I do know about this. I do know what you're talking about. I don't know everything about force, but I do know this. It's a 2017. Right. And your gripe with it, I'm assuming, is the fact that in 2022 ish? I think, yeah, it's the exact same for the most part.

00;23;56;23 - 00;24;05;28
Speaker 3
Body style, like everything cosmetically is almost identical. But there was a lot more revisions made by the manufacturer too, like braking and suspension and handling and all that. It's a better car.

00;24;06;05 - 00;24;06;15
Speaker 4
And all that.

00;24;06;15 - 00;24;15;16
Speaker 3
Stuff. Yeah, interior for sure. But like 2022, it became a better car, right? Easy. So you don't have to reskin that car. You just have to update the characteristics.

00;24;15;16 - 00;24;17;11
Speaker 4
Of how it drives compared to the new one.

00;24;17;19 - 00;24;24;21
Speaker 3
And you're pissed because they kept the 2017 when in you're feeling it's just a copy paste. Yes I'd agree with that. Yeah I think that is bullshit and.

00;24;24;21 - 00;24;29;13
Speaker 4
Same thing with the Alfa AC because the Alpha AC has the stinky wheels.

00;24;29;17 - 00;24;39;21
Speaker 3
Oh my God. I know. Okay, so for those of you listening at home, Alfa etsi okay, beautiful car. Everybody can kind of picture that. It's got the nice two tail lights in the back. Kind of go for it.

00;24;39;29 - 00;24;41;10
Speaker 4
You'd better than right. Yeah. Okay.

00;24;42;04 - 00;24;50;28
Speaker 3
Close your eyes. Listen, even if you're driving, close your eyes. So. So what wheels do you picture? Well, I'll ask Erin first. What we do you picture with that car?

00;24;50;28 - 00;24;52;08
Speaker 4
I picture the round five spokes.

00;24;52;08 - 00;24;57;11
Speaker 3
The round five spokes with like the five little circles on the rim. Oh yeah. I would picture the same. What's on it.

00;24;57;17 - 00;25;00;20
Speaker 1
Corvette six five spoke wheels.

00;25;00;20 - 00;25;04;13
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like the like if you picture a Corvette C6.

00;25;04;15 - 00;25;05;10
Speaker 4
Choice, you can choose.

00;25;05;10 - 00;25;27;21
Speaker 3
On that car. Now watch your mouth because I do love those wheels, but I don't like them on the Alfa. But they it's essentially a 20 or 28 Corvette grand sport. Yeah. Five sport chrome wheels on an eight. See it's stupid everybody pictures five circle wheels like it's on every Alfa they look nasty on the Julia they look nasty on the eight AC, they look great in the four.

00;25;27;21 - 00;25;32;04
Speaker 3
See, they look good on that fucking Stelvio Yeah, like always playing.

00;25;32;04 - 00;25;33;19
Speaker 4
With disco Volante Oh my.

00;25;33;19 - 00;25;38;07
Speaker 3
God. Disco Valentine If you watch a Top Gear episode, by the way. Oh, you are a king.

00;25;38;07 - 00;25;42;28
Speaker 4
You know what? Other cars, those circle wheels look good on Lamborghinis.

00;25;43;11 - 00;25;43;29
Speaker 3
Because you.

00;25;43;29 - 00;25;45;27
Speaker 4
Look very similar. Wheels.

00;25;46;00 - 00;25;47;04
Speaker 3
Yeah, all different.

00;25;47;04 - 00;25;48;05
Speaker 4
Very nice.

00;25;48;10 - 00;26;04;09
Speaker 3
Yeah, I picture a yellow I picture actually a yellow Gallardo. I saw them on one time. Really very interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. But anyways, we're going away from this. I was thinking something where you were saying that. Okay, it's absolute bullshit. And this is this is ridiculous. When you think about it.

00;26;04;13 - 00;26;06;15
Speaker 1
Okay? Why don't we.

00;26;06;15 - 00;26;08;28
Speaker 3
Have manufacturer wheel options?

00;26;09;23 - 00;26;13;07
Speaker 1
Why? Why can't we do that? Why? Why can't why do I have 18.

00;26;13;07 - 00;26;32;17
Speaker 3
Options for TSW and HRT and ATV, whatever the hell. And I can't just pick like, three Mercedes factory options that are all sick. Why can't I do that? Why did we worry so much about all these stupid multi-spoke? I'm going to pick. This is everybody, by the way. I'm picking four wheels and I'm sticking with it, right? Yeah.

00;26;32;19 - 00;26;49;00
Speaker 3
Most people are doing that. If you're into the drift stuff and you're into the tuning stuff and whatever chances are, you know, you're going to match like each wheel perfectly with each car. Fine. But for the majority of us, we have our wheel choices. We have like our kind of look. I've got like one of those. TSW Right, that's that's my look and that's it.

00;26;49;00 - 00;27;07;13
Speaker 3
I'm sticking with it. Otherwise I'm sticking with manufacturer because the cars that we like, we like for the most part as is, yeah, we like the rims that we see on the Top Gear episode that we saw as kids that we see now on the street right. It's so rare that I even think about aftermarket wheels and why of these usually they're perfect.

00;27;07;20 - 00;27;19;24
Speaker 3
Yeah, but you think about the eight C that they put in the game with the stupid wheels. Okay, well, where the hell am I going to find these those those Alfa style wheels in the aftermarket section. I'm not going to write and I'm going be depressed. Fuck that. And then.

00;27;19;24 - 00;27;20;19
Speaker 1
You've got the.

00;27;20;19 - 00;27;22;05
Speaker 3
Ferrari actually the Ferrari, the pictures.

00;27;22;05 - 00;27;23;20
Speaker 4
Yeah, but we'll be Roma. Yeah. Yeah, the.

00;27;23;20 - 00;27;27;28
Speaker 1
Roma. They pick the stupidest based model wheels. And here's another thing actually.

00;27;27;28 - 00;27;35;13
Speaker 3
For the developers, by the way, who are listening this for sure, by the way, because every single time we mentioned something, within a few days, something changes. I know you guys listen.

00;27;36;02 - 00;27;41;25
Speaker 1
Listen up. I know you guys are full of shit on these wheels, on these manufacture wheels.

00;27;41;25 - 00;27;55;04
Speaker 3
Because I know there's certain restrictions that you have to listen to when it comes to the manufacturers. I'm probably sure that with like pink colors, right. You can only pick what Ferrari is, is kind of advertising and I kind of think that's probably true, right.

00;27;55;09 - 00;27;59;03
Speaker 4
Yeah. Especially when it comes to like the F8 and stuff like that where there's four color options.

00;27;59;03 - 00;28;04;25
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like there's got to be more to it. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt there. I'm going to be a little night, but now I'm going to be Dick.

00;28;05;00 - 00;28;17;25
Speaker 1
Because there is no chance Ferrari told you to put the base model rims on the Roma bullshit. Yeah. Ferrari 100% wants you to put the top spec in the game because that's what they want people to like.

00;28;18;02 - 00;28;20;13
Speaker 3
You wanted people to associate.

00;28;20;16 - 00;28;34;03
Speaker 1
With the best model of your car. Yeah, that's all that shit works. Yeah. You don't want them to put base 17 inch rims on a car? Well, that's not a good representative of the Roma, so it's bullshit.

00;28;34;03 - 00;28;38;03
Speaker 3
I know you guys picked those fucking wheels. I know you guys didn't even fucking think about it twice.

00;28;38;06 - 00;29;00;22
Speaker 1
And they look like fucking dog shit. They do absolute shit. That's a beautiful car that could have been so much better. And then on top of it, nobody in fucking ten plus years, whatever the anniversary is now for. Horizon has once thought that we need to have manufacturer wheel options. What the fuck is that? That is like again.

00;29;00;27 - 00;29;12;16
Speaker 1
Why do we keep coming up with this? What? Why? Why has nobody thought this? And a team of hundreds of people, you know, hundreds of people, nobody has thought, hey, we just added 70,000 other wheel options. Maybe we should add two.

00;29;12;16 - 00;29;15;25
Speaker 3
More for Mercedes that we could find on a 3D printing program. We get the.

00;29;15;25 - 00;29;24;18
Speaker 1
Exact same goddamn specs. That's another thing I want to hear. Any goddamn bullshit this is my complaint quarter. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear any goddamn shit about.

00;29;25;15 - 00;29;33;01
Speaker 3
Like, oh, we couldn't get the exact wheel specs or something or shit to find them online. It's got to be so easy.

00;29;33;08 - 00;29;34;03
Speaker 1
Like, there's no.

00;29;34;03 - 00;29;40;03
Speaker 3
Way every wheel that you guys have in the multiple section is dead perfect with each stud on the multiple wheel.

00;29;40;13 - 00;29;43;29
Speaker 1
Bullshit, there's no way to look at a mercedes eight spoke.

00;29;43;29 - 00;29;47;27
Speaker 3
We'll figure it out. It's a 19 inch wheel. You got all the specs online.

00;29;48;07 - 00;29;52;01
Speaker 1
And another thing, another complaint. And this is something that you mentioned to me.

00;29;52;01 - 00;29;53;06
Speaker 3
I'm going to get you going on this.

00;29;53;22 - 00;29;59;24
Speaker 1
Why the hell can I put five, five stud wheels on a six stud car? Oh, yeah.

00;30;00;12 - 00;30;01;17
Speaker 3
Or six. Look, I should say.

00;30;01;18 - 00;30;05;06
Speaker 4
Why can I put central locks on my Honda Civic with a four lug pattern?

00;30;05;07 - 00;30;07;19
Speaker 1
That's bullshit. Why can you? Like, you.

00;30;07;19 - 00;30;10;06
Speaker 3
Should not be able to do that. No, that is ridiculous.

00;30;10;25 - 00;30;34;00
Speaker 1
And like, here's another thing. People of Forza, I am I am on tangent. This is ridiculous, but I, I'm riling myself up, to be honest, you know, like, it's here, but like, listen, it's just like he complained, cause. But really, truly, like, hear me out at home, okay? You mean keto of complete? Yes. Yes, it is so. But hear me out.

00;30;34;00 - 00;30;36;11
Speaker 3
People at home and driving your cars right now.

00;30;36;11 - 00;30;37;00
Speaker 4
Close your eyes.

00;30;37;22 - 00;30;53;23
Speaker 3
So we talk about not being able to play center locks on a car that isn't capable of accepting a center lock. Right. And if you're out for three now, you're thinking, okay, well, just use your imagination like that, that there's a kit associated with this. We all right, come on. It's a video game. That's from what they're saying.

00;30;54;03 - 00;31;11;28
Speaker 1
Okay, then why can't I paint my spoiler black? What the fuck is that? Assume I can sand it down and put a fucking clear code on the spoiler. It's same thing with the guardian mirrors. I don't want to hear anything that they're carbon fiber. They got a fucking clear code on it. You can sand it down and paint it enough of this shit.

00;31;12;05 - 00;31;17;26
Speaker 1
God damn it! Where is the line of realism? It seems that that.

00;31;17;26 - 00;31;35;27
Speaker 3
Goalposts moves all the time. So I'm getting so sick of that shit because is it a video game or is it realistic? That's what I want to know. Are we putting race cars in the game? Are we going to let people put center locks on random cars? Are we going to be very serious about like the compound of the mirror and what you can paint, what you can't paint this wing, you can paint this one.

00;31;35;27 - 00;31;53;00
Speaker 3
You can't because it's a different compound. But you can put a center lock on a fucking transit van. Yeah. Okay, so that's that's my tangent. That's, that's about 11 component corners for y'all at home. And I think all of those were succinct and I think all of them made a lot of sense. And, and I would I would challenge anybody.

00;31;53;01 - 00;32;09;25
Speaker 3
One of those I would challenge anybody to make a viable point back at me on anything I just said on anything. Why would the manufacturers not want all of the real options in the game? Why would you not be able to paint different options on the car like mirrors and spoilers and whatever? But you can paint the hood and you can put swear words on the side of the car.

00;32;10;05 - 00;32;11;22
Speaker 3
Bullshit. That's just maybe.

00;32;11;22 - 00;32;14;03
Speaker 4
You could be, I don't know, locks on the transit van. Literally.

00;32;14;03 - 00;32;37;08
Speaker 3
Again, not having actual true intelligent car people making these decisions. I have no doubt that true intelligent people work at fours that our car people I know for a fact they work in the organization, but you can't tell me that they're the ones making the calls. That's my point. And I know every single episode it seems like we bitch and we complain and we say stuff.

00;32;37;23 - 00;32;47;05
Speaker 3
But man, again, challenge me to find a reason why, why anything I just said should be that much more difficult to do, because it shouldn't be.

00;32;47;26 - 00;33;04;11
Speaker 4
Now, you talk about OEM wheels. Yeah, right now. What? When it when it comes to the upgrading of the cars. Yes. You have all your manufacturers wheels and you have your OEM wheels. Yeah. But when it comes to tires, why can't we see more tire like actual manufactured hierarchy factories?

00;33;04;11 - 00;33;07;07
Speaker 3
Yeah. Well, you know what, it would be interesting.

00;33;07;28 - 00;33;28;12
Speaker 4
Because if you look at some of the cars in the game, I'm going to use the Porsche Mission R for an example. Okay. If you look at the tire sidewall on the Porsche Mission R in the game, it has the Michelin logo. Same thing with the same thing with the Rahal Letterman, Ford Fiesta. It has that there are some Forza edition cars that have the Goodyear thing on it.

00;33;28;12 - 00;33;38;23
Speaker 4
You can put Goodyear tires on certain cars. The Hot Wheels Trans-Am has Goodyear tires. So why even those manufacturers are already in the game? If you're already paying for the licensing.

00;33;40;03 - 00;33;49;10
Speaker 3
Maybe because you cheated with the car. I don't know how that works. That's weird. Maybe they do have to pay the licensing or maybe maybe they pay to be in the game on those cars.

00;33;49;17 - 00;33;53;18
Speaker 4
But if that's the case, then why don't you put more on all tires, on everything?

00;33;53;20 - 00;34;15;12
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's a good point. Well, you know, it'd be really interesting is if you could have instead of street sport racing tires, you could do all Michelin and you could do the models of, oh, my God, you could do the models of all of the different Michelin tires. So you could do pilot sport sport for sport for s cup two's for your race cup.

00;34;15;12 - 00;34;16;12
Speaker 4
2 hours, cup two.

00;34;16;12 - 00;34;34;17
Speaker 3
Hours. Right. And I mean, you could kind of be strict upon like this, you know, for example, on like a 19 inch wheel with a certain dimensions, you can't get the raised tire because they just don't make it or something. Yeah you could maybe a strict that that but I think it just makes more sense for Michelin to be like yeah, here's all the different models in the game.

00;34;34;21 - 00;34;35;17
Speaker 3
Yeah, they'd be awesome.

00;34;35;18 - 00;34;37;27
Speaker 4
But because you couldn't do multiple manufacturers.

00;34;38;11 - 00;34;38;27
Speaker 3
You couldn't.

00;34;38;27 - 00;34;40;01
Speaker 4
I think they'd be tricky.

00;34;40;09 - 00;34;46;20
Speaker 3
Because if you had like but if you Pirelli that was good. And then the Michelin, that was better. Why would Pirelli want to be in the game if they have a worse tire?

00;34;46;20 - 00;34;51;21
Speaker 4
Yeah, but I think if you can put center locks on appeal P 50, you should be able to put up 2 hours on the field, be 50.

00;34;51;22 - 00;34;59;00
Speaker 3
A good point. That is a good point. And actually you make a good point because the wheel manufacturers, some of them are heavier shit.

00;34;59;11 - 00;35;00;12
Speaker 1
So there are worse.

00;35;00;12 - 00;35;21;19
Speaker 3
Wheels that just look better. Example Pirelli P zeros like they look sweet, but in a lot of instances they're not as good as the Michelin Cup Twos or something, right? So fuck sakes, why do we keep solving problems? It because you're right. The wheels. My argument was going to be why would Pirelli want to be in the game if they had an inferior tire compound?

00;35;21;19 - 00;35;32;07
Speaker 3
Nobody would pick it. But people pick wheel patterns that are like way heavier but just look better or worse. Sometimes they look like just AIDS, but they're in the game anyways. Yeah. What's the.

00;35;32;07 - 00;35;33;04
Speaker 1
Difference with.

00;35;33;18 - 00;35;34;05
Speaker 3
Tires?

00;35;35;01 - 00;35;37;01
Speaker 4
I don't know, because this.

00;35;37;01 - 00;35;37;13
Speaker 1
Hurts my.

00;35;37;13 - 00;35;38;24
Speaker 3
Brain. This hurts my brain.

00;35;38;24 - 00;35;44;01
Speaker 4
God damn wheels don't really change the performance other than the performance index. You don't feel the difference.

00;35;44;01 - 00;35;45;28
Speaker 3
No, you don't. You don't. It's literally.

00;35;45;29 - 00;35;51;19
Speaker 4
Unsprung weight, but it's just a performance index that changes. So why don't you just change the tire compound?

00;35;52;06 - 00;35;56;20
Speaker 3
Yeah. And have multiple options there. And then whoever bids the highest can have the best performance even.

00;35;56;21 - 00;35;59;00
Speaker 4
There you go. Wow. More money for rolling along.

00;35;59;00 - 00;36;08;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. You got, like, longs in the gears, like. All right, all right, Michelin, you don't want a sponsor. Okay, well, we're going to say, like, long as a faster tire compound, maybe hilariously.

00;36;08;22 - 00;36;12;11
Speaker 4
Long, puts the most money into the game and they have the best tire. Just don't.

00;36;12;16 - 00;36;15;16
Speaker 1
Fucking. They have to, like, nerf it. It's so fast. The long, long.

00;36;15;16 - 00;36;24;02
Speaker 3
Piece zero knockoff. Yeah maybe I don't I think I think that would be a great idea. Wasn't there some news on that from motorsport? Actually.

00;36;24;02 - 00;36;34;17
Speaker 4
Actually. Okay. So with that, a lot of people thought there was because initially in the trailer, like the launch trailer, however many months ago with the Apollo intended the Italian word.

00;36;34;18 - 00;36;35;15
Speaker 3
The Balinese car.

00;36;35;15 - 00;36;41;21
Speaker 4
Yeah. Insert Italian word here. They had sidewalls that had the Michelin logo on it.

00;36;41;21 - 00;36;44;09
Speaker 3
Yes they had them for as a motorsport preview.

00;36;44;09 - 00;36;54;14
Speaker 4
Or a preview trailer or whatever. That's right. Yeah. So a lot of people thought that you could do that because back in motorsport two, you could you could choose different manufacturers, you could put those on your cars in multiple parts.

00;36;54;14 - 00;36;55;04
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah.

00;36;55;11 - 00;37;08;03
Speaker 4
They had a for air filters, they had it for crank shafts, you name it. So a lot of people thought that was coming back. That's not because if you look at the UI and you look at how the upgrades go when it comes to the air filters and all that stuff in the.

00;37;08;03 - 00;37;08;27
Speaker 3
In the previews.

00;37;09;01 - 00;37;23;15
Speaker 4
In the previews that they've done, none of that's there. There's no manufacturer names for any of that stuff. But like you said before, they have branded wheels. They have branded body kits, branded everything else. Why can't they put branded tires or air intakes or crankshaft or brakes?

00;37;23;23 - 00;37;45;15
Speaker 3
Brembo I still. BREMBO Yeah, for sure, because I think there's no excuse that you couldn't have one manufacturer do all the parts right? You can't, like you should be able to have different canon models among all the different levels. Performance, right? One manufacturer for sure. No brainer. You should be able to get one. I don't under like it's trickier when you start to do multiple manufacturers in the same space.

00;37;45;15 - 00;38;01;26
Speaker 3
I get that. I get why that be a problem. But man, why didn't they do that? You're right. Because the and things in the game like the tires are right there. You clearly had to sign something. They could be used in the game. Yeah. I don't know if money changes hands, but it's still there's a process.

00;38;01;26 - 00;38;07;03
Speaker 4
And same thing with Brembo. Like there's a lot of vehicles that have Brembo brakes that when you look at the brakes, it says Brembo.

00;38;07;03 - 00;38;11;15
Speaker 3
Yeah. And what are you going to do? What's Brembo going to do when you're like, okay, yeah. Like we're not going to hook this up.

00;38;11;15 - 00;38;12;25
Speaker 4
Like they're going to go to Millwood.

00;38;13;01 - 00;38;14;10
Speaker 3
And then Brembo is gonna be like, All.

00;38;14;10 - 00;38;17;20
Speaker 1
Right, all right, let's, let's take it easy. All right? Like, 100%.

00;38;18;07 - 00;38;36;23
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's that's another thing. But you're right. You are right in those previews, they didn't show any of that. So unless there's just something they're hiding, which I don't think it is, um, I got to say, though, I have less of a problem with that than I do. Um, the rim stuff, the rim stuff, as I'm sure you could hear, if you're still somehow listening to the show.

00;38;37;23 - 00;38;38;26
Speaker 4
After me made it this.

00;38;38;26 - 00;38;45;16
Speaker 3
Far after my goddamn meltdown. There needs to be manufacturer wheel options. Yeah, it's time. That's ridiculous. Yeah.

00;38;45;16 - 00;38;56;10
Speaker 4
So, moving on, I want to talk about the because you mentioned at the beginning of the episode the Barbie stuff, we're moving past that. Okay. I want to talk about the Porsche Xbox.

00;38;56;11 - 00;39;11;22
Speaker 3
Oh, by the way, I was going to say, we we do not have any time for half of that car segment this way. Oh, yeah. If you're not familiar with the show, fuck. That car is a segment that we've had in every iteration, the Fourth World podcast, and we pick a car that we don't particularly like and we explain why we don't like it and why it sucks.

00;39;11;22 - 00;39;15;14
Speaker 3
And that's pretty much it. It's a very negative show.

00;39;15;14 - 00;39;15;24
Speaker 4
It is.

00;39;16;01 - 00;39;17;09
Speaker 1
That we.

00;39;17;09 - 00;39;34;12
Speaker 3
Don't have time for this week because it's too for us to have you in. It's a very negative show. It is more than normal. This is a very. Yes, very fun show. Yeah, but but yeah. We were talking about the Porsche Xbox. Yes. Yeah. So if you listened to last our last episode. Okay, I was gonna say last week, but we're not that consistent with that.

00;39;34;20 - 00;39;35;09
Speaker 4
So yet.

00;39;35;20 - 00;39;36;02
Speaker 1
So.

00;39;36;16 - 00;39;50;02
Speaker 3
So my main gripe with, with the Barbie stuff if you were listening really was the giveaway, right? Like that was like my number one gripe is not necessarily that they did it, just that after all this time, this is the fucking giveaway and this is how we're going to do it.

00;39;51;07 - 00;39;55;03
Speaker 1
Well, now, like days after the show.

00;39;55;27 - 00;40;05;14
Speaker 3
They announce they've got this for a or not for that. They've got this Porsche Xbox that they're giving away, this beautiful painted Xbox series X. Yep.

00;40;05;14 - 00;40;08;17
Speaker 4
And it's based off of the hippie 917.

00;40;08;17 - 00;40;10;15
Speaker 3
Yes. And it's like green.

00;40;10;15 - 00;40;11;00
Speaker 4
Hippie car.

00;40;11;01 - 00;40;11;18
Speaker 3
Blue and green.

00;40;11;20 - 00;40;13;13
Speaker 4
Oh, nice.

00;40;13;23 - 00;40;17;20
Speaker 3
Why don't you tell the ladies and gentlemen who is available to enter in the contest?

00;40;18;19 - 00;40;23;10
Speaker 4
Basically, everyone. Other than what? Who is it? North Korea, Quebec and Hawaii.

00;40;23;16 - 00;40;27;02
Speaker 1
Pretty much like China. So? So like most.

00;40;27;02 - 00;40;33;02
Speaker 3
Countries where basically where ever you get Xbox and the requirements, how do you enter this contest?

00;40;33;12 - 00;40;49;23
Speaker 4
You have to create a account with Instagram or Twitter. You have to be following the for of pages in the Porsche pages. Yeah. You have to make a post with a specific hashtag and you get one entry per platform, which is a maximum of two period.

00;40;50;00 - 00;40;54;16
Speaker 3
End of story. So you have to do it in feed. It can't be like on your story or anything like that.

00;40;54;16 - 00;41;04;10
Speaker 4
Okay, feed. Okay. There's, there's no like this post shared to a couple of friends. It is you have to put the effort into make a post, put the hashtag in and you will get a maximum of two entries.

00;41;04;14 - 00;41;07;25
Speaker 3
And why don't you tell the ladies and gentlemen how many are available for all of us fans?

00;41;08;12 - 00;41;08;21
Speaker 4
One.

00;41;10;01 - 00;41;16;05
Speaker 3
Lovely. That's that's dynamite. Yes. That's a sick contest for us. And that's awesome. And there's no forms of branding on it either. No. So but.

00;41;16;05 - 00;41;25;06
Speaker 4
I will this is something that we did talk about earlier, is this is something that's not the only Porsche themed Xbox series X that's.

00;41;25;19 - 00;41;27;09
Speaker 3
Out there. Oh, yes, yes.

00;41;27;12 - 00;41;28;29
Speaker 4
There's six of them total.

00;41;29;02 - 00;41;33;01
Speaker 1
Yeah. Probably more. This is this is the stupid thing about this.

00;41;33;05 - 00;41;50;10
Speaker 3
Okay, fine. Right. We've got to give away my my main gripe was when's the last time we did a giveaway before. And then right after we finally get another one, specifically social media giveaway. I think that's important to like to emphasize. Yeah, that's my main complaint because usually it's always like a code or I don't care. It's something like tangible.

00;41;50;10 - 00;41;55;02
Speaker 3
I'm talking something in holding your hands that you're winning from Forza finally a next box. It's a Porsche one.

00;41;55;13 - 00;42;02;03
Speaker 1
Well, Porsche is doing their own god damn contest, and all you got to do is enter your email and you get an entry.

00;42;02;03 - 00;42;03;09
Speaker 3
And you want to know how many times you.

00;42;03;09 - 00;42;16;01
Speaker 1
Can do that. How many? Once a day until October. Once day. Yes. And it's open to only a select few countries. But there's six and there's different designs and it's like way better.

00;42;16;01 - 00;42;18;24
Speaker 3
Like I'm not posting that on my on my account.

00;42;18;28 - 00;42;20;10
Speaker 1
I'm like, if.

00;42;20;10 - 00;42;24;05
Speaker 3
I'm, if I don't have a first page, okay, let's pretend it on fourth page. I'm just a guy. Yep.

00;42;25;05 - 00;42;27;23
Speaker 1
I'm not posting that on my account. You know, I'm not doing like.

00;42;28;02 - 00;42;39;10
Speaker 3
A picture of my family and then a picture of, like a nice dinner and then for a fucking some stupid post with the hashtag. I'm not doing it. Maybe Twitter, right? Yeah, but that's it. And that's one entry.

00;42;39;19 - 00;42;45;17
Speaker 1
For one for the world excluding the parts of the world that don't want to be in the world. Yeah, give me a break.

00;42;46;14 - 00;42;49;05
Speaker 3
I think that's outrageous. Give me a T-shirt.

00;42;49;06 - 00;42;54;02
Speaker 4
Okay. So about that, you mentioned something tangible and that got me thinking. Okay, so.

00;42;54;09 - 00;42;55;03
Speaker 1
When's the last.

00;42;55;03 - 00;43;02;00
Speaker 3
Time other than this? For us, it did like a social media giveaway where I can just like something and that's it.

00;43;02;00 - 00;43;03;29
Speaker 1
Or just, you know, I mean, like, just something simple.

00;43;03;29 - 00;43;12;16
Speaker 3
Like, I just. I sent out a tweet. I want to design something and send it the forums and have some guy with a fedora rank it once the last ones last time that happened.

00;43;12;16 - 00;43;23;07
Speaker 4
So in June we went to the start. I think they made a post in beginning of June where they this year this year, this year. This happened a couple of months ago. Did you hear about this?

00;43;23;20 - 00;43;25;05
Speaker 3
I don't know what the hell you're on about.

00;43;25;08 - 00;43;28;24
Speaker 4
This was a Pride T-shirt. This was before as a prize. What they did.

00;43;29;18 - 00;43;32;27
Speaker 1
What are you talking about? No, I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay.

00;43;32;27 - 00;43;50;09
Speaker 4
Okay, so back. Back in the beginning of June, they had fours a pride t shirts available. There's six t shirts, by the way. You can still buy them, which is hilarious. You have to go through the forms or you had through the forum. You had to either go through the forums or you had to see the post that was posted once June 1st.

00;43;50;09 - 00;43;51;11
Speaker 3
You have to enter on the forums.

00;43;51;27 - 00;43;57;19
Speaker 4
No, you enter on Twitter or Instagram, but you want to find the contacts.

00;43;57;20 - 00;43;58;26
Speaker 1
To find the social media.

00;43;59;01 - 00;44;06;17
Speaker 4
To find content, you have to go to the forums. They posted about it once on Twitter, but they didn't tell you all the things you found it.

00;44;06;25 - 00;44;09;09
Speaker 3
I found the forum post. I haven't found anything else.

00;44;09;09 - 00;44;20;02
Speaker 4
Okay, so so let's we have the forum post up, okay. When it comes to entering this contest, you need to follow the page. Yep.

00;44;20;02 - 00;44;21;07
Speaker 3
On Twitter, Instagram and Twitter.

00;44;21;07 - 00;44;42;06
Speaker 4
Instagram, it doesn't matter. You have to follow the page, the Forza horizon page, and then you have to make a post with the hashtag for the Pride Sweepstakes, whatever it is. Yeah, that's it. You don't have to post a picture. Really, you don't have to. You could just make a tweet that says, well, for the Pride sweepstakes, that's all you could do.

00;44;42;07 - 00;44;42;16
Speaker 4
You just.

00;44;42;23 - 00;44;44;22
Speaker 3
I could just do minestrone soup.

00;44;45;06 - 00;44;52;09
Speaker 1
Hashtag for this price. Yes, you could. And that would be an entry. Oh, that's brilliant. Okay. So, all right. All right.

00;44;52;17 - 00;44;54;22
Speaker 4
They had ten T-shirts that were giving away.

00;44;55;11 - 00;45;02;16
Speaker 3
Okay. Okay, where's but there's there there's a there's a tweet like is it just so it's a contest on the forums, but you have to enter online.

00;45;02;17 - 00;45;07;02
Speaker 4
You get you enter on social media. Okay. Okay. On Instagram or on Twitter. Okay.

00;45;07;02 - 00;45;14;23
Speaker 3
Oh, the shirts. Beautiful. Yeah. Wow. Oh, that's Sterk. It looks like an AMG logo repeated a couple of times, but it says different colors.

00;45;14;28 - 00;45;17;26
Speaker 4
And you got the pride colors.

00;45;17;26 - 00;45;23;20
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, that's sick, dude. Right, that's awesome. Yeah, that's a that's an awesome shirt. That's one of the better shirts they meanwhile. Yeah.

00;45;24;10 - 00;45;26;12
Speaker 4
Oh fantastic shirt. Yeah. Yeah. I would be tempted.

00;45;26;13 - 00;45;27;28
Speaker 3
Yes dude.

00;45;27;28 - 00;45;30;10
Speaker 4
It's 35 bucks Canadian so it's kind of expensive but.

00;45;30;15 - 00;45;31;18
Speaker 3
Oh they, they sell it though.

00;45;31;22 - 00;45;32;14
Speaker 4
They still sell.

00;45;32;15 - 00;45;32;23
Speaker 3
Okay.

00;45;32;23 - 00;45;44;09
Speaker 4
Okay. Add it to your cart. Right. Okay. Okay. So when it comes to how many they were giving away, they had ten of these t shirts to give away. So it was it was only available to U.S. residents.

00;45;44;17 - 00;45;45;19
Speaker 3
It kind of sucks. Yeah.

00;45;45;28 - 00;45;47;09
Speaker 4
Okay, whatever. That's whatever.

00;45;47;09 - 00;45;48;05
Speaker 3
It's still fine. Okay.

00;45;48;05 - 00;45;50;02
Speaker 4
Canadian. Sorry. Anyone else? Sorry.

00;45;50;03 - 00;45;53;08
Speaker 3
It's still a tangible things. It's still tangible. That good? Cause this is a tangible thing.

00;45;53;09 - 00;46;02;11
Speaker 4
Okay, they were giving away ten of these. There's a lot of people in the States. Mhm. Right. Um how long do you think you had to enter.

00;46;02;19 - 00;46;03;20
Speaker 3
Probably Pride Month.

00;46;04;01 - 00;46;04;29
Speaker 4
Right. One day.

00;46;06;06 - 00;46;07;01
Speaker 1
One day.

00;46;07;06 - 00;46;08;01
Speaker 4
24 hours.

00;46;08;11 - 00;46;09;23
Speaker 1
Where does it say that you had.

00;46;09;23 - 00;46;17;02
Speaker 4
24 hours. You have to go to where the timeline is and you have until June 29th.

00;46;17;02 - 00;46;18;10
Speaker 1
You're joking.

00;46;18;10 - 00;46;28;28
Speaker 4
There starts at noon Pacific Time on June 29th and ends at noon Pacific Time on June 30th. No way you had 24 hours.

00;46;30;02 - 00;46;31;07
Speaker 1
So that's why I didn't hear.

00;46;31;07 - 00;46;34;02
Speaker 3
About this contest, because it was open for a goddamn day. Yeah.

00;46;34;11 - 00;46;36;19
Speaker 4
And they posted about it once.

00;46;36;19 - 00;46;38;29
Speaker 3
They did post the post on Instagram for sure.

00;46;38;29 - 00;46;46;23
Speaker 4
I know they posted on Twitter what the how they retweeted something on Twitter and they didn't even put the correct hashtag in the tweet.

00;46;47;06 - 00;47;10;14
Speaker 1
Shut up. Meaning they didn't mean it with the hashtag with a cord that was over. My website sweepstakes was not in the hashtag in the tweet whatsoever. So you would have had to go to the forum post to see what actual hashtag you need for the actual thing. What the fuck? You want to know how many people and this had the giveaway to nobody.

00;47;10;14 - 00;47;46;28
Speaker 1
People had to take a guess. I wrote like 200 people. Nobody entered on Instagram for people who people, you know, way, way easier to hashtag. You're not going to see anything in four posts. Okay. Hey, I'm taking this right now. I don't need so four, six, three, three, six. I don't even know if it was in the right time for the Pride sweepstakes on Twitter.

00;47;46;28 - 00;48;11;25
Speaker 1
I'm going to look this up. Okay? We're going to we're going to verify this. Oh, you're not looking this up. I'm looking this up is a ride. My head hurts things. Hang on. Bad typer. There's only four. It's no way like every single one of them's a good post. Like, I'll give them that. They got, like, cool designs on their cars.

00;48;11;25 - 00;48;44;23
Speaker 1
There's a Lamborghini giving away ten shirts, and then they got it. Only four people entered. Oh, my God. Oh. Oh, my stomach hurts, dude. There's no way. And there's nothing on Instagram. Oh, my God. What the hell did you. Oh, I'm dying. You had 24 hours to enter this contest that was directly into the, like, 24 hours to enter.

00;48;44;23 - 00;48;45;12
Speaker 4
A contest, though.

00;48;45;17 - 00;48;57;20
Speaker 1
Advertised once. And they actually gave away something good and they gave away something good to a very minor amount of people in the world. What the fuck is that? I was a good laugh. Oh, my God.

00;48;57;20 - 00;49;00;29
Speaker 4
Need to turn the air conditioning on its oh he's shit.

00;49;01;06 - 00;49;10;22
Speaker 3
You know what, I don't want to hear anything about marketing after this though. Not, not a thing or like or whatever that like not qualified or like people telling us to shut up.

00;49;11;09 - 00;49;12;06
Speaker 1
See, this is the problem.

00;49;12;06 - 00;49;23;20
Speaker 3
This is this is the problem now is that was actually a good contest? If it was a little bit longer and you did that, like, I don't know, like once a month or something with a piece of merch, dude, I'd be all over that. Do like a mug or something. Yeah. You kidding me?

00;49;24;05 - 00;49;26;19
Speaker 4
Even for the entirety of Pride Month, even if you gave us.

00;49;26;23 - 00;49;31;20
Speaker 3
Yeah. You know what, Pride Month? Just tweeting and or having to put in a picture is, like, not bad. It's not that I would do that.

00;49;32;18 - 00;49;41;06
Speaker 1
But I didn't even hear about this. I would have entered it. I would have got a T-shirt, clearly I would like I could have done it with like all my accounts and just like six T-shirts. I was going to say they couldn't even do half.

00;49;41;21 - 00;49;45;07
Speaker 4
They couldn't even do half. You would you would have helped them get to the 50% mark. Yeah.

00;49;45;07 - 00;49;47;04
Speaker 1
I don't want to hear shit I don't want to hear shit about.

00;49;47;04 - 00;49;48;18
Speaker 4
You would have given them a passing grade.

00;49;48;26 - 00;49;56;19
Speaker 1
But that's a fail. I can't believe that because I can't believe that.

00;49;56;19 - 00;50;03;02
Speaker 3
Because you think, oh, these guys are absolute Muppets. Yeah, just complaining about stuff. These guys know what they're talking about.

00;50;03;20 - 00;50;08;19
Speaker 1
Oh, really? Oh, really? A contest for one day that they're still selling. They're still so they're still.

00;50;08;19 - 00;50;13;23
Speaker 3
Selling the shirt. The shirt effect. The shirts that I might Instagram I might buy the shirt. Yeah, but it is still.

00;50;13;23 - 00;50;23;23
Speaker 1
That's ridiculous. Dude, you got like fucking how many million people following you for four. You have five people in your car, dude, you kidding me?

00;50;24;02 - 00;50;30;17
Speaker 4
Through both platforms? That's what gets me. The fact that there was. No, they're not one single and.

00;50;30;18 - 00;50;34;28
Speaker 1
Couldn't be bothered. Couldn't be bothered. Do they had 250 likes? How the hell did you.

00;50;34;28 - 00;50;38;29
Speaker 3
Even find this? Just like randomly, like scrolling through Google or something.

00;50;38;29 - 00;50;54;18
Speaker 4
Scrolling through forums, through forums, through forums. I go like I enjoy looking through forums, I enjoy looking through Reddit because you never know what you're going to find. The amount, it's good. Yeah, I read a ton, you know, stuff being like, Oh, this is coming or all this is a leak or this is a contest or whatever. And you know, we get excited for it.

00;50;54;25 - 00;51;08;21
Speaker 4
But to see that, to see the point, I saw that and I was like, Oh, that's really cool. Was I late to the contest? Yes. I had no idea that this was happening until I came across it on the forum post. At that point it was mid-July, so I was like, Why a mess? So well?

00;51;08;24 - 00;51;24;26
Speaker 3
Well, you know what we should do actually, for the news only seems to come around every three weeks or so. And so usually when we do like we try to do an episode or put some information out there we should like the next show. We should try to talk about merch.

00;51;25;01 - 00;51;25;11
Speaker 4
Yes.

00;51;25;27 - 00;51;31;25
Speaker 3
I would really like to take a dove into like historically what's been done with merch or workers.

00;51;31;25 - 00;51;32;08
Speaker 4
For that.

00;51;32;12 - 00;51;33;02
Speaker 3
Anyways.

00;51;33;19 - 00;51;37;06
Speaker 4
Yeah. Giveaways, merch stuff like that because for as a has done merch.

00;51;37;06 - 00;51;57;22
Speaker 3
Yeah. Like I love I'd love to go over because dude like we've ripped apart this entire franchise for like an hour. But I would love to talk about like, the great things that have been done in the past. I've got some great merch in my room right now. You do like lanyards and just beautiful t shirts and these these.

00;51;58;04 - 00;52;06;13
Speaker 4
You want to know the boxing piece of merch that I am still dying to find and I do not care how much money I spend on these. I will buy them at some point in my life.

00;52;06;17 - 00;52;09;05
Speaker 3
I already know the answer. I know the answer to Forza motorsport.

00;52;09;05 - 00;52;09;27
Speaker 4
Three PUMAs. Yep.

00;52;09;27 - 00;52;37;10
Speaker 3
Yeah. The shoes. Yeah. Look, these babies up. We've talked about these on the episode or some episode before. Forza Motorsport, three shoes. They're like white with red. Like, they're so nice. Like, they're beautiful shoes. Like, these things are sty 100%. Some of our favorite for the promotions. That'll be our next episode. We'll talk about good promotions and trailers and giveaways and for the future.

00;52;37;14 - 00;52;43;24
Speaker 3
For anybody who remembers four as a fuel. We got invited by the way. He But they didn't take us because we're from Canada. He But that was.

00;52;43;24 - 00;52;47;09
Speaker 1
That was said that was that was like a cool idea to the biggest.

00;52;47;09 - 00;52;48;15
Speaker 4
Disappointments ever.

00;52;48;15 - 00;52;51;01
Speaker 3
It was a flop, but the concept was cool.

00;52;51;09 - 00;52;52;07
Speaker 1
I could appreciate.

00;52;52;10 - 00;53;08;00
Speaker 3
The stuff that they tried, right? Like I just like that they try stuff. Yeah. Or they used to try stuff. So we'll do it. We'll do a whole show about that because we are negative. This was an especially negative show, but we'll try to bring some positives in, reminisce a little bit and bring you.

00;53;08;01 - 00;53;08;20
Speaker 4
Back to the good old.

00;53;08;20 - 00;53;39;02
Speaker 3
Yeah, dude, I think I think we'll we'll have some cool pose for you. The one thing I'll leave you with now and we'll talk a little bit more about it and I want to post that because I need to track this down. Probably the coolest thing I can remember for is it doing was for Forza Horizon one before the game was coming out, they were giving away codes and how they were giving them away is they would actually send you a USB and the USB was a wristband, so you would unhook the wristband and then there would be a USB on the one end of it.

00;53;39;06 - 00;53;55;00
Speaker 3
And then that was the promo. That's so it was really cool because it was like the whole thing. Horizon one was the wristbands and you know, you're moving your way up. Yeah, but, but it was like a four is a branded wristband. I wanted one so bad I tried to get one years after and they were so expensive on eBay.

00;53;55;00 - 00;54;14;22
Speaker 3
And you just you don't see them anymore. Yeah, it's a USB two piece of crap. Yes, it is. I know, but just a novelty, man. That's. That's one thing they've never done is a proper Forza horizon wristband. I would love to have one. Yeah, I think it would be such a cool, very dorky, admittedly, but it's dude, that's a that's a sick thing.

00;54;14;22 - 00;54;34;21
Speaker 3
Yeah. It's one of the very few tangible things in Forza that, that really truly means something. If you were to do on a physical thing, every character is wearing the wristband. Yeah, that's. That's your game. There's no other physical thing. It's not like there's a very specific outfit that your main character is locked on wearing. It'd be sick to have his shirt or something like that, like a Darius Flint shirt or something like that.

00;54;34;21 - 00;54;35;18
Speaker 3
That's an exact.

00;54;35;19 - 00;54;36;16
Speaker 4
Garage hat.

00;54;37;06 - 00;54;39;22
Speaker 3
That would be sick. That would be so sick.

00;54;39;22 - 00;54;42;26
Speaker 4
I want to see a ball cap like a weathered ball. Dude, I.

00;54;42;26 - 00;54;43;10
Speaker 3
Might make a.

00;54;43;10 - 00;54;44;09
Speaker 4
Large logo.

00;54;44;09 - 00;55;03;03
Speaker 3
Yes. So that's the stuff like that, right? Like that's cool. But I think objectively in my opinion and maybe we'll put something out there, I think that would be the single coolest piece of merchandise you could ever get. Is a real for the Horizon gold wristband. Yeah, that would be the dopest thing. Okay. Yeah, I agree, dude. Let's leave it at that.

00;55;03;03 - 00;55;19;18
Speaker 3
Let's, let's the next show, it'll be all positive. We're going to talk about some cool things we can do. We're not going to focus on things that they don't do. We're just going to talk about some of our favorite moments and promotion and getting excited about old games and maybe they'll get you excited about motorsport, whatever the hell of it.

00;55;19;18 - 00;55;20;01
Speaker 3
Hauling in.

00;55;20;09 - 00;55;20;25
Speaker 4
Motorsport.

00;55;20;25 - 00;55;26;23
Speaker 3
That's what I'm going to call it, because I need to. So anyways, I hope you guys enjoy the show.

00;55;27;11 - 00;55;28;08
Speaker 4
We very much enjoyed it.

00;55;28;08 - 00;55;38;04
Speaker 3
Yeah, that was a lot of fun stuff. So. So I really apologize if this is like your morning commute and like you're just listening to just two absolute jackasses screaming.

00;55;38;04 - 00;55;39;06
Speaker 1
Into a microphone.

00;55;39;22 - 00;55;45;14
Speaker 3
I hope that did happen. So anyways, until next time, this has been the For the World podcast.

00;55;45;23 - 00;55;46;28
Speaker 4
Thank you very much for joining us for.

00;55;47;00 - 00;55;55;00
Speaker 2
The next time.