Forza Horizon 6 Will Make-or-Break The Series - Analysis, Opinions, and Ramblings

(Originally recorded Jan 22)

Finally, some more Forza news! Forza Horizon 6 was revealed a few months ago, and details continue to trickle in on what we can expect. We now have the majority of the important details, including a (very mid) trailer that was released,  showcasing cars and scenery in the most realistic version yet.

It shouldn't be a secret to anyone though: this entire series is in big-time trouble right now. With the death of Forza Motorsport, and back-to-back flops with Horizon 4 and 5, this game absolutely needs to make an impact, or it will likely spell the end for the series. We take a thoughtful and critical dive into the current situation, and if we think the game has what it takes to be successful. Most critically, this game launches May 15, a bit ahead of GTA 6.

A recap of the announcements:

• Tokyo City area is five times larger than FH5’s Guanajuato  
• New progression setup(!!!): start as a tourist, earn Wristbands, unlock Legend Island  
• More than 550 cars at launch 
• Updated Forza Aero, window liveries, body kits, new R Class for track-focused cars
• Aftermarket Cars found in the world that you can test drive or buy  
• New open-world social features: Car Meets, Drag Meets, Touge Battles, Time Attack Circuits  
• Customizable garages and an Estate you can build out in the open world  
• EventLab gets multiplayer building with Horizon CoLab  
• Better audio(!!!), bigger soundtrack

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Transcript

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Forza World Podcast.

This is Aren.

This is Jason.

It’s been a minute, that’s for sure.

It has been a minute.

It’s been several days since our last posted podcast.

“Several” is a good word.

I’ll leave it at several.

But we’re back.

We’re back in 2026.

Forza’s back.

Forza Horizon’s back.

Forza Horizon 6 has been announced.

This is recently after the developers podcast. Whatever stupid thing, whatever it was.

It looks promising.

Yeah, it doesn’t look bad.

If you’re a listener of the show, you know that we kind of hate this game and we hate the direction that it’s taken the past little bit. But honestly, what they announced in that conference, or whatever we’re calling it, in that reveal, is pretty well everything we’ve been harping about for a while, I would say.

It’s not perfect, I don’t think, but it’s pretty damn close.

So we’ll see.

At least it’s promising. We’re going to taper expectations and whatnot.

Yes.

We have to be cautiously optimistic about what was promised and what is being announced.

However, we’ll get into it later on in the show.

We do want to talk about Horizon Japan. We want to talk about what to expect, where we’re going, and what we kind of want to see. We’re going to talk about the standard things that we have: the Complaint Corner, Fuck That Car, of course. Those are segments that are coming back.

We have to bring those back into 2026 and start the year with a bang.

But we also want to do a quick little bit about the recent race, which finished today, and that was the Rolex 24 at Daytona.

I don’t know what order those words are in, but yes, that race.

Daytona 24.

What’s the official title?

I don’t know.

I don’t know.

Is it the Rolex Daytona 24?

Something like that.

You put those words in a sentence, people know what you’re talking about.

It doesn’t matter what order.

The lack of structure the commentators had…

Commentator. Specific commentator. Specific commentator.

Yeah, we’ll get into it.

That’s a good point.

Whoever that guy is, I forget his name. Hindo, maybe?

I forget. I don’t know.

I forget what his name is.

Anyways, you’ve probably heard this guy call a race before. He seems to do pretty well everything, from V8 Supercars on occasion to European or Asian Le Mans Series to MMA. Pretty much, like, he’s on MMA radio for 20 years or something.

The man is a spastic.

It’s so tough to listen to.

I can’t.

He’s the Lance Stroll of commentators.

That’s a big compliment.

I don’t know, man.

As far as commentators go, just whatever the dumbest person slash driver is, insert Lance Stroll mixed with Latifi, mixed with the idiot who was in Crashgate. I don’t even remember who that was anymore, but that person.

I don’t know.

It’s just a marvel.

It’s bad, though.

It’s bad.

We’ve got clips on that later.

We’ll get to that later.

Yeah, we’ll get some clips going, whatever.

But that’s kind of the show that we’ve got for you.

It’s going to be Forza-heavy.

Again, if you’re a new listener, you’re not going to have any idea what the hell we’re talking about.

In the past, it’s been a pretty nice mix, I would say, of Forza, car news, what’s going on with our idiot selves. But I think it’s going to be pretty Forza-heavy. We’ve got a lot to talk about, which is a good thing because for the first time in a long time…

Yeah, my God.

Usually…

I think the last time we had a Forza-heavy episode was when we were talking about how booty-cheeks Motorsport was.

Oh yeah.

When they first revealed it.

Even last show, we had a decent chunk dedicated to what we thought FH6 was going to have to be, or kind of first impressions. It was a little heavy, but this one’s going to be mostly Forza talk.

There’s a lot to get into.

And honestly, there’s a lot at stake too.

I’ll start with that.

It’s no secret that they have to land this jump. This has to be kind of a perfect 10 of sorts or there’s going to be big trouble.

Big, big trouble.

We’ll get into that.

But let’s start from the top here, Aren.

You’ve got a lot of notes here. You’ve done a lot of research.

I do.

I watched that release as it was coming out to get kind of the first impression.

I’m having a Miller latte.

I had a real latte before this, but now I’m having a Miller latte.

A Miller latte.

I’m having a Boca Cola.

Boca…bola?

All right.

A Boca Cola.

It’s an orange cream Boca Cola, but it is still a Boca Cola.

As per tradition, we try to have some sort of beverage on this show whenever.

Something to crack.

Anyways. Okay, let’s start from the top.

What do we got?

Start from the top.

So first thing that they mentioned was the story.

Now, a lot of people, including us, have been criticizing Forza for not having any sort of story, anything that we can follow to progress throughout the game.

I think since Horizon 2, there hasn’t really been a story.

Horizon 2 had some semblance of a story.

It wasn’t much.

A semblance of a story, no.

There was progression.

Horizon 3, we got to progress through building our Horizon event, I guess, and increasing fans that were coming to this event. We had to expand the festivals, which gave us a sense of progression.

But there wasn’t really a story. We weren’t racing for any particular reason.

Same with Horizon 4, same with Horizon 5.

There’s no reason.

It’s, why am I doing this?

Oh, because you’re playing a racing game.

And there’s also no conclusion.

We’ll try not to get in the weeds too much here because trust me, we can, because we like to just bitch and whine about this as much as we can. But it is true. If you think about 3 versus 4 versus 5, I think as it’s gone along, it’s got a lot muddier on when it’s done.

There should be some sort of final moment of, okay, the main story or the main thing of what I’m shooting for here is complete. There has to be some sense of finality to it.

Otherwise, just put me in a fucking straitjacket, is how I would define that.

Yeah.

I think 3 kind of had it.

I think you’re right.

Anyways, I digress.

You continue.

Anyways, we digress.

In Horizon 6, they have announced that wristbands are coming back, which I think the last time we had wristbands was Horizon 1.

Did we have them at all in 2?

I think we had them in 2.

It was a much different purpose for it, though.

I think it just was associated with your level.

Yeah.

Or maybe what location you were at. I don’t remember it mattering since 1.

So we’ll say 1.

Yeah, it didn’t have a purpose since Horizon 1.

Yes.

So after five games and 14 years, we finally have wristbands back.

Right, it is 14 years.

14 years.

And I have no money.

I have no money now, just as much as I did 14 years ago.

That’s not good.

I don’t like that.

13 and a half years.

Well, I mean, we’re back.

Wristbands, we’re back.

Hey, something else I’ll mention here, folks, before we get too far into it. I want to start with this.

We were going to put it at the end. I’ll start with it.

May 19th. That’s a key component.

May 19th is the release date. It’s going to be the 15th for early access.

Also worth noting, by the way, FH5 is almost five years old. Pretty crazy.

You think about it, we were doing shows on that five years ago.

Anyway.

May 19th is a Tuesday.

I will say this: May 19th is a Tuesday. May 15th is a Friday, I think.

Yeah, you’re best to do early access then.

You’re best to do early access because then you’ll have the weekend to play, unless you are some YouTube gamer that has a two-digit number in your name that just plays this the entire time and it doesn’t fucking matter.

True.

Then there’s no point in getting early access because you’re going to be sitting at home jerking off either way.

We like to bitch about the fact that we will never, ever, ever get early access to anything, which is totally fair because I think we called out the first and last name of one of the key developers one time and called them an ass-wiper or some such.

Yeah.

Something stupid like that.

We have called people by name idiots many times in the headlines of the podcast.

Very much so.

So we’ve kind of dug our own grave.

That’s okay.

But yes, I get it. I’m picking up what you’re putting down here.

Yep.

So we start as a tourist. We don’t start as someone who is a race rookie. We don’t start as a champion. We don’t start as anyone.

So in theory, this should be a new character to the Horizon series.

For the past few games, it’s been confirmed that we are the same person at a different festival, but this should be a new person.

It doesn’t make any sense.

It should be a new person.

We’re starting as a tourist. We’re working our way up. We have to start with the Horizon qualifiers, then we get our rookie wristband, and then we have to progress.

And I will say, the events that were mentioned to progress were showcase events, which is something that we’re all used to in Horizon. Showcases: racing against hot air balloons or trains or helicopters or whatever it is.

We all like those.

The other event that they teased a little bit is something called Horizon Rush events, which from the video looked kind of Gymkhana-esque, which is pretty cool.

Yep.

I’m down for that.

Yeah.

I’m going to bang through a lot of this list because we have a lot to go over.

Yeah.

We’ll get into our first impressions in a moment here too.

Yeah.

Seasons are continuing.

Snow’s coming back.

I’m sure you saw on the developer launch that there was a clip of some cars driving through what looked like a snow canyon. So that’s pretty cool.

Stickers are coming on windows. So we’re finally going to be able to put stickers on the windows of cars, which is something that we’ve talked about.

Hey, we should be able to do this.

You guys have a stupid…

I was going to use a different word.

A stupid livery system.

We don’t have any word on if the system itself is changing or being updated, do we?

For customization?

Correct.

We don’t.

Okay.

We have no idea.

There is new Forza aero, so they’re updating the Forza aero, so we might not have the same idiotic wings and front splitters.

How long have we been dealing with the same set of Forza aero?

Since Forza Motorsport 2.

Has it been that long?

I thought it was since 5.

Nope, since Forza Motorsport 2, we have had the exact same front splitter and rear wing.

No.

It’s been since…

I promise you.

Didn’t 2 come out in 2006?

2006 or 2007?

Yeah.

No, I think it was 2007.

Okay, well, this is a welcome update.

This is pretty good then.

Why wasn’t that new in Motorsport?

Because they didn’t care about Motorsport and we all knew that.

Cool, cool, cool.

Yes.

So this is a bigger update than what they’ve maybe let on.

That’s a key piece of info, man.

This is a key piece of info.

100%.

Updated car classes is another thing that they’re updating. So we’re still going to have the same D through S class. However, the updated R class is their dedicated race car class. Things like the Lamborghini Essenza SCV12.

Is it just R?

Are they going to do like R1, R2, R3 again?

That hasn’t been mentioned.

They did say that they have rebalanced and updated the car class system.

That’s a welcome update.

Who knows what that means, but I’m excited to see what’s possible.

Cosmetic tire wear is coming to the game.

This is more for the people that really like the nitty-gritty things.

As you drive around, your tires will start to show wear. So if you stand and do a burnout in your Mopar, you’re going to lose tread on the rear of your tires. If you like track driving and you have an aggressive camber setup, you’re going to see the tire wear on the inside or the outside of the tires more than you would now, because there isn’t any tire wear.

So that’s going to be pretty cool.

I think this is going to be more exciting for the photographers.

I think the photographers and videographers are going to get more out of this.

I think this is kind of a little bit more of a gimmick in a way.

Well, it’s cool to have.

I will say I like that they’re thinking at that level.

As we continue to rattle through these, because there is a lot to talk about, I just like that they’re thinking to this degree of detail.

And it’s cool details.

It’s not foolish ray-tracing nonsense that nobody really cares about.

Here’s the contingent, this is the other side of things: they need to update that video system.

Because it’s really cool, it’s a nice touch, and you’re right, that is going to probably be for the photographers and the videographers.

It’s impossible to be a videographer.

We’ve talked about it way back.

I would be a videographer in this game hands down. That’s my bread and butter. I can video edit. I can do all that.

We’ve wanted to do that for a long time, but I can’t spend nine hours trying to put together a minute, minute-and-a-half hype video using that stupid drone thing that they have, which is a great idea, but it is honestly…

I was going to say something really bad.

Great idea, horrible execution.

Yes, yes.

Pretty well.

So hopefully they’ve got some updates there.

But again, promising that this is the level that they’re thinking at.

These are all welcome changes.

I’d like to see tire manufacturers, by the way.

I’m going to throw that one out there.

But let’s keep going.

Updated car sounds.

Thank you.

Car sounds have been updated and overhauled.

They have new ways to record and new ways to edit and ensure that the sounds are accurate.

I am hopeful that this also includes updated car models.

Yes.

Because if they are recording new car sounds, hopefully they take their head out of their asses and just take pictures of the fucking cars rather than sticking a microphone up the tailpipe.

Yes, and rehashing old models and all that bullshit.

If you want to take a look at a show that we’ve talked about old models, I think it was actually in our Fujimi Kaido returning episode. That’s when we talked about the Italian car pack and that we noticed that they were rehashing a ton of old stuff.

So this would be a welcome change.

I agree with you.

I think if they’re doing new audio, this probably means new car modelling, I would think.

And I think this is probably happening because they’re cutting out the OG Xbox One.

Maybe that’s why.

Maybe that’s why they’ve decided to do that now.

It’s a guess, but it’s really the only tie-in I have, or the only reason I can think of, of why now.

Because why didn’t they do it for Motorsport?

No, it’s true.

They had fucking how many years to do that?

Long time.

So seven.

Yeah.

So that’s my hypothesis.

But very good.

They have all sounded like toaster ovens, so fingers crossed.

Especially with being in Japan and having such a heavy JDM presence.

Yeah, they’re going to have to get it right.

Next thing is the customization of properties.

Now, we’ve had customization of cars. We’ve had customization of our avatars. It is to the point where each player house is going to have a customizable garage area. You can take props, move props around, place cars, create your own garage space, and invite friends over to view your garage space.

I think it’s been a long time coming.

I think this is really cool.

Similar to what we have in the new Motorsport game where we have the garage space and we can place different cars in the background and be like, oh look, there’s my 911 RSR, there’s my whatever. We can’t walk over to them. We can’t do anything with them. We can’t invite people over to be like, oh look at the three cars that I customized and put in here. It’s just for us.

But Horizon 6 has customizable garages. We can invite friends over. We can see what other people are doing.

I think that’s going to be a big one.

Second customizable area is what the developers call an estate, which is a giant chunk of land in a valley that you can use to create an estate and customize. You can put buildings, you can put roads, you can put parking garages, you can put all of this stuff in this estate, and it becomes permanent. It basically allows you to create a personalized area on the map.

And they say this is permanent.

Again, you can invite friends over.

I’m not too sure if we’re all going to have the same estate, because if that’s the case and you’re inviting people to it…

I hope not.

I hope not.

Yeah.

I just don’t know how it’s going to work.

Because if we’re playing and I invite you to a session and we go to this estate, is it going to show mine? Is it going to show yours? Is it on the same area of land?

Anyway, curious to see how that’s going to go.

Could be really cool.

Could be “sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit.”

You never know.

Yeah, it’s true.

We’ll see.

The key thing, and again, not to slow you down, is we’re ripping through this list because there is still a lot to talk about.

There is, yep.

It’s execution, right?

We’ll get into it later.

Execution’s the key.

Good idea.

Can they actually deliver on it?

But good so far.

This is cool.

We’ve dreamed about stuff like that since, I would say, Forza Vista in Motorsport 4 was the first time I had that thought. You know, you can pick the locations. You can pick the warehouse or the Top Gear studio, right?

Top Gear studio.

You’d always think, well, what if I could move some props around too?

That’s the earliest I can think.

That’s, what, 15 years ago?

Yeah, 15 years.

Yeah, Jesus.

It’s been 15 years.

So this is good.

Good start.

It is good.

It is a good start.

Third… well, I was going to say third-to-last thing.

Car meets have returned.

And I think the last time we had car meets was Horizon 3.

Correct.

And it wasn’t great then.

That’s why it went away.

They weren’t great.

Correct.

However, these look promising because you can purchase tunes, you can purchase designs, or you can purchase a copy of the car that you see at a car meet.

Does this mean if we get unicorn cars or the special seasonal cars, things like that, are you going to be limited in purchasing those vehicles?

Because right now, in Horizon 5, if you have a seasonal event or seasonal pass, whatever thing that’s like, hey, if you want this car, you have to complete 20 points in the season, you have to do whatever, and they’re going to sell on the auction house for 20 million credits because scalpers are going to scalp.

If that’s the case, does that make those kind of pointless now?

Because if you pull up to a car meet and you see someone in a CT5-V Blackwing, you can say, rather than me going to the auction house and buying one for 20 mil or trying to snipe one, whatever the case is, can I just go to a car and buy it?

If I have a friend that has a rare car that I want, can I just go to a car and buy it?

Yeah, I guess there’s going to be some interesting…

I didn’t think about that.

It’s a good point.

So there’s a couple really takeaway points here.

Yeah, I guess the takeaway here is there’s a couple different ways this could go.

The ceiling for it’s pretty high then by the sounds of it.

This sounds like a useful car meet.

I think the problem in 3 was it wasn’t really useful.

I never understood why people did it.

It was stupid after like two hours.

It took forever.

You remember, just to get everything set up.

And there really wasn’t much to do in the first place.

Well, even just loading.

Yeah, like the whole thing.

You’d go to load into the car meet and it would take 15 minutes to get in there.

And then if you wanted to change your car while you were in the car meet, it would take another 15 minutes for it to load.

Yeah, yeah.

It was everything.

And there wasn’t really a purpose.

This sounds like there’d be a pretty good purpose for it.

So hopefully it’s a good base and hopefully there could be some changes.

So with this car meet, I think what they could do is something that we will get into later once we start going through the wish list itself, because there’s an aspect of Horizon 5 that they could take and integrate that into the car meets, which we’ll get into in the wish list.

But we want to talk first impressions. We want to talk about where we stand on what they’ve released so far and what we think.

Jason, what do you got?

What’s your first impression?

Have you seen the developer stream, right?

Most of it.

I’ve skimmed.

I skimmed.

That’s fair.

Here’s what I would say.

I think this game is going to have a lot of what we want in it.

Based on the list that we just went through, that sounds promising, right?

Wristbands, a proper story, you’re starting as a tourist, blank slate.

This sounds awesome.

In a good location too, or at least based on the footage that we saw, which was good.

Everything looks good.

It’s been visually impressive for a while.

It doesn’t really butter my bread anymore, the visuals.

I’ve been tricked by that snake oil before.

But Forza Motorsport, I just keep thinking, had a lot of stuff that we wanted.

When you and I talked about it on the show, that game had a ton of stuff where we were like, yep, yep, sounds awesome, that’s kickass, that’s great.

And it didn’t deliver because it was just basically answering a bunch of qualms that people had, but it wasn’t really tied together.

And it was the same problem of, I don’t think anybody plays this damn game when they’re building it.

Honest to God, that has been the problem for a while.

I truly believe you just had people executing visuals and executing components of whatever they get assigned to as a developer, and they’re not actually playing the game.

It doesn’t make any sense.

That was the problem with Motorsport.

Same shit of, I’m shrugging right now, what are we doing?

This sounds like it’s more cohesive.

I’m very cautious, though, for the reasons I’ve just said.

I’ve seen this before, and I’ve seen it kind of recently.

I think there’s a lot at stake.

Again, it sounds good.

I’m happy with everything.

I like the cover car, by the way.

Oh yeah.

GR GT.

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.

I love that.

I like the car in general.

I like that there’s a racing version.

I’m in.

Great pick.

Cover car was done well.

But it still remains: there’s a ton at stake here.

You understand that as well.

And if you look at the timeline of when this game is coming out and everyone understanding that GTA 6 is coming out…

Yes.

Right?

We have maybe a six-month window before GTA 6 launches.

Yeah, so you’ve got really six months to get everybody super invested into this game and to just make a good impression.

You have to have a good taste in your mouth during that time.

I think they have to get out of this habit of launching with a shitty game and then building it up into something that’s passable, good enough.

It’s in the past.

It’s put way too many people off already.

You guys can go look at the Steam numbers right now on any of the Forza games if you’d like to see.

It’s sickening as far as how many active players there are.

It is absolutely terrible.

Yeah.

But this game, Horizon 6, this game needs to succeed in order to save the franchise.

It’s got to be ready to go.

Because if Horizon 6 does not deliver, Forza is done.

It’s dead.

Dead in the water.

Yeah.

Motorsport doesn’t exist anymore.

We’ve talked about it.

Motorsport’s dead.

Right now.

We’re recording January 25th.

We’ll see when you guys actually get the episode.

But…

496 days from now.

It’s actually dead, though.

Motorsport is… they can lie all they want.

The game’s dead.

There’s nobody working there right now.

What did they say?

They’re staffing 10 people to just fix bugs, basically?

That’s the reality of it right now.

And that’s it.

There’s no new cars.

There’s no new tracks.

There’s no new events.

There’s nothing that is new that is coming to Motorsport.

It is basically bug fixes.

Yeah, bug fixes and support desks.

And general quality of life.

Yeah.

That’s it.

So that’s a dead game, by the way.

So this game has to nail this landing, bro.

They have to nail it because you’ve got a six-month window.

If the game’s not killer…

I’m going to be all GTA for probably a month, maybe a month and a half.

I’m going to no-life it.

I’m so excited.

I haven’t no-lifed a game since maybe Halo 4.

No, that’s not true.

Red Dead.

So you can get people to come back, probably with the expansion, I would say.

If you’ve got a great expansion, that would probably bring my interest back and then you kind of settle into the game again, especially if there’s a good story that’s long-term and it makes sense.

Yeah, 100%.

You can’t fuck it up.

Like you mentioned, you have to get that expansion bang on and you have to make sure the initial launch of the game is flawless.

Yeah, like you can’t get first-time players in after GTA’s out.

You cannot.

For the first time, you can’t.

You won’t be able to.

Yeah, you have to build that base early.

Yep.

And with that, if it’s to the point where the game starts out really, really strong and slowly dies off as GTA releases, that’s fine.

That’s not going to kill the game.

What’s going to kill the game is if it doesn’t wow people the day it comes out.

On the 15th, on the 19th, whenever you end up playing the game, if you don’t get hooked within the first, I’d say, 10 to 15 hours of gameplay, that’s it.

You’re not wanting to invest the time and hopefulness that they’re going to fix this game, because by the time GTA 6 comes out, you’re going to be playing GTA 6.

100%.

And then even if you stop playing GTA 6, you’re going to forget about this stupid game anyway.

So exactly.

We’ll see here.

But overall, first impressions, I would mark this one down as cautiously optimistic.

Make no mistake, though.

This is the most optimistic I’ve been about a Forza game since 3.

I would say Horizon 3.

Yeah, I’d say Horizon 3.

And Horizon 3 had that wow moment of when you first fired up the game, if you can remember, kind of like that menu screen.

Oh, the start screen.

Yes.

Oh my God.

The trailer was okay.

We talked about this the other day, actually.

I never loved the Horizon 3 trailer, but that menu opening screen with whatever that techno song was in the background…

Oh my God.

“You could take me away,” right?

High frame rate, the carbon on the Centenario.

Oh my God.

So every time I boot up that game, even now, I’m still just as excited to play it as the first day I got the game.

100%.

You’ll need that here.

And when you first launched Horizon 3 into the story mode and you had that shot of the jet coming onto the runway and you’re behind the jet and it lands and then all of a sudden it moves to this group of hypercars and you’re going to be driving to the festival.

And then boom, now you’re driving a Baldwin trophy truck through the woods.

Was that BJ?

Yes.

No, no, no.

It was the C.J. Baldwin trophy truck.

Oh, you’re right.

It was the trophy truck.

Yeah, yeah.

Which, fantastic choice.

Yeah, yeah.

But that’s what we need.

That is what we need as the start for Horizon 6.

We need something that just brings us back in.

And I really want to say one thing, so we can move on to the wish list now.

I wish that in the menu screen for Horizon 6, after they go through the general hero shots that we have, blah, blah, blah, give us a cinematic.

Give us a cinematic again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

After 20, 30 seconds of us staring at the menu screen, give us a cinematic.

Horizon 1, Horizon 2, Horizon 3 had cinematics.

Yes.

Yes.

Horizon 4 and 5 didn’t have cinematics.

It was usually the E3 video, I think, right?

Typically, yeah.

Something like that, or like a variant of it or something.

Yeah.

Those videos are great.

I don’t know if you remember this too, folks at home, for those that are dated dinosaurs like ourselves.

If you went to Best Buy or EB Games or GameStop or something like that, I just remember whenever they would have Forza set up on one of the consoles with the two controllers that you could just walk by and play on.

I remember walking through the store and looking at other games or controllers or whatever when you’re at the mall or something, and you could hear it flip after 30 seconds to that cinematic video.

I could still hear it.

Even Motorsport 4, I can remember that.

Do you remember that song?

“Starts Again.”

So good.

“Starts Again.”

Unreal.

I can picture being in the mall in winter coat, winter boots and everything, sweating your ass off because you’re inside with all this winter wear.

But I can still remember hearing it as you walk by.

Yeah, it’s taking me back thinking about that, actually.

But I would like to see if they do something like that.

These are the fine touches that we’re kind of looking for.

I think on my wish list, I don’t know if I have so much specifics.

I think it’s just more: I hope it’s cohesive.

That’s my wish list.

It’s just never been front to back.

It’s been so fragmented, and it’s just so clear that different teams work on different things and the corporate side has gotten in the way of things.

Nobody plays the game.

So I hope that it has that passion back in it.

If you think about the old guard and all the folks that we used to follow on Twitter back in the day from Turn 10, those guys really cared.

You could tell.

They were car people.

At least maybe we didn’t always agree with the creative direction they would go on things, but it was at least cohesive, and front to back it flowed and it made sense.

So whatever they were trying to accomplish, it was there.

I know that we’re talking about Playground here, but make no mistake: there’s easily a ton of influence between the two.

There just is.

Between personnel, between ideas, between how they talk, it’s more than we think for sure.

So I would say, I hope Playground just doesn’t get in their own way here.

I hope it’s cohesive.

I hope they think of the fan.

I hope they just play the fucking game.

That’s bottom line.

I hope they play it and try to get immersed themselves and be fans and develop this from a fan perspective.

That’s my wish list.

That’s the only thing I really wish for.

Fair.

And now I will…

Oh, sorry.

Bring back DLC trailers.

DLC packs, bring back trailers.

Please.

That’s my other wish.

Yes.

Yes, yes, yes, please.

Because I understand now with the seasons and the way that they’re releasing new cars, it’s not necessarily a DLC, but give us a car trailer.

Yes.

Do you have something to say? A trailer for the two of them?

I do have something to say.

Can I have two wishes first?

Sure, go for it.

I want a rock station.

A real rock station made by somebody and curated by somebody who has heard a rock song before in their life and isn’t trying to fucking cosplay their way through it and give me some sort of AI slop rock station.

That’s what I want.

I want AC/DC.

I want Metallica.

I want Iron Maiden.

I want Judas Priest.

I want Ratt.

I want 80s hair metal.

Give me Mötley Crüe.

Give me some stuff like that.

Some real fucking Firebird, Camaro driving music.

That’s what I want.

And you say this, you say, Jason, it’s in Japan. They’re going to have some Japanese stations.

Yeah, yeah, they probably will.

I’m almost certain they will.

However, in Japan, you know just as well as I do that American culture is a big deal over there, man.

Especially with classic muscle cars.

Oh my God, you should see the Camaros and the Corvettes and the Challengers, how much money they go for over there.

They love all that stuff.

They love the leather jacket and the 70s, 80s rock and all that.

It is very much a thing over there.

Now’s the time.

Now’s the time.

Mötley Crüe, like I say, Ratt, give me all the hair metal.

Give me all that 80s, you know, the headband.

Give me Motörhead.

I think that’d be awesome.

So I know that’s not American.

Would be good.

But you know what I’m getting at here.

It’s that vibe.

Yeah, yeah.

And importantly, give me Hospital Records back in its Forza Horizon 4 form and give me a glow-in-the-dark vinyl.

Please.

That’s what I need.

I still listen to that album on my phone probably weekly, I would say.

Horizon 4 Hospital Records, unbelievable.

Even when you try to go off on your own and look at other drum and bass artists or stations or whatever, I really haven’t found anything that’s that killer and on the nose for driving.

Not all drum and bass works for driving.

Most of it does, actually, especially at night, but what a range.

That’s such a good idea.

Even Horizon 5 wasn’t too bad of a Hospital Records album.

Horizon 5 wasn’t too bad.

It wasn’t bad.

Horizon 3 had a couple bangers.

Horizon 4 is the GOAT.

Yeah, because that was the first time they did a proper vinyl and everything for it.

Give me that.

Give me that for sure.

But those are two very big wishes on the wish list of let’s get the music right.

The last one was terrible outside of Hospital Records.

Make no mistake.

I can’t name more than like a song or two outside of Hospital.

There was a couple bangers, but the rest of it was just dog shit.

So that’s my wish list.

But give me some rock and roll, baby.

Not this garbage that they had, whatever it was last time, that pseudo-rock.

Honest to God, it was like somebody’s never heard a rock song in their life.

That’s my rant.

Okay, cool.

We haven’t even got to Complaint Corner yet.

No.

Can I have my wish?

I mean, yeah, let’s go.

Okay.

In the car meets, give us a test track.

In Horizon 5, you have the test track where you can tune and adjust your car.

You can put on wheels, you can put on tires, you can put on suspension, engine upgrades, all that stuff, and test it.

Give us a test track in a car meet.

Oh.

That would be really cool, to have the car meet at like a track, like Tsukuba or whatever.

Was it Tsukuba?

Tsukuba.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I don’t think there’s going to be anything licensed like that. I know what you mean, but I think these are going to be more like parking-lot car meets.

But have a designated little autocross section or something like that in the car meet.

Where you can say, go to the test track, and then I can say, oh, I want to adjust the wheels or tires or whatever it is on the car and test it.

That would be cool.

And maybe you could do a head-to-head with an autocross where you challenge somebody at the car meet.

I’m not saying licensed tracks or anything like that, but something of that nature I think would be pretty cool.

Just like a smaller little track.

I don’t know.

That’d be really interesting.

Good idea.

Yeah.

Cool.

Well, that’s my last wish.

Yeah, we don’t have much.

We’re a needy bunch if you listen to the show, for sure.

We’ve definitely had our complaints.

But really, it’s just: can we have a good game, please?

Just give us a good game with purpose.

Yeah.

That’s it.

Yeah.

I would be fine with that.

So I think top of mind, that’s what I’ve got.

I just think the stakes are so high.

I think it’s important to remember that.

If this game doesn’t stick the landing, it’s dead.

Make no mistake, folks.

This is a dying franchise that is very near death, really.

We’ve talked about it, but it is.

Now, Jason, you did go on a rant a little bit for your wishes.

I did.

So I feel like you’re in the mood to rant.

So let’s cue the music.

Yes.

Yeah, there it is.

It’s good to be back.

I’m dancing.

You can’t see it.

This music irritates me sometimes.

It’s good, but it irritates me.

Okay.

Complaint Corner this week.

If you’re unfamiliar, by the way, this is just my session where I vent.

Usually I get rowdy at this point of the show, and it is funny that I happen to get rowdy.

Okay.

Dude, I’m so done with cheese.

Like, I can’t do it.

I am tired of people trying to convince me that cheese is good.

And if you’re listening, you go, Jason, you’re out of your goddamn mind. Cheese is great.

Most of the world thinks that way.

You’re all in a cult.

I’m convinced.

This is like Eyes Wide Shut or whatever that fucking movie with Tom Cruise is.

It’s nasty.

It’s terrible for you.

You always have to put it on something or put it with something or have like a cheesecake tasting and pair it with something.

If it was so good, you hacks, it would be good all the time by itself.

You even ostracize your own members of your cheese community, your demented cheese community, when they eat it like a brick of cheese, you know what I mean, like an apple.

Okay?

It’s so bad.

I don’t understand.

Oh, I have to sprinkle it on this.

Oh, I have to put it on that.

If it was so good, you could eat it plain all the time.

That’s my opinion on it.

I think it’s disgusting.

I think it ruins dishes.

I think it just dominates the flavour anyway.

It tastes like ass.

There’s an edition of cheese that has mould on it, you sick freaks, that you eat.

It doesn’t make any sense.

I don’t get it.

I am tired of being questioned whenever I get a burger.

This is what made me think of this.

I had a burger the other day and the guy goes, oh, are you lactose?

I said, no, I just think it sucks.

And then it gets into a whole big thing where everybody’s got to defend the cheese.

Why do you all have to defend cheese?

I don’t understand.

I say I don’t want it on the burger.

You say, are you lactose?

I say, no, it sucks.

And then it’s like I insulted his mother every time with these people.

I don’t get it.

I am sick of it.

I will not put up with it anymore.

This is my moment.

I don’t know.

I don’t know where I’m going with this now.

As a side note, I am lactose and I love cheese.

I know.

You’re all freaks.

You’ve been drinking the Kool-Aid for too long.

It’s terrible.

Nobody can give me a good reason.

Why is it so good?

Please.

I don’t know any other thing…

Only time is on pizza.

But that makes sense because you can barely taste it.

Oh, there it is.

You can barely taste it.

And there’s a purpose because it’s the structure of the pizza.

It’s the only thing that holds it together.

You kind of need it.

Okay, what about lasagna?

That? Eh.

I could do without it.

Just eat fucking any other assortment.

If you just remove cheese from it, it just becomes another Italian dish.

That’s the beauty with Italian dishes.

It’s all just different assortments of meat and cheese and noodles.

Oh, this one’s in an oven.

This one’s in a frying pan.

This one’s in a pot for two days.

That’s the extent.

Italian dishes should not be in a pot for two days, Jason.

I don’t know if they age something.

I don’t know what happens.

But all I’m saying is cheese sucks, man.

I’m tired of hiding this truth.

I know this is one of my tougher complaints.

This is one of my tougher complaints.

It is.

I’m sitting here seething because I very much…

But you don’t have an answer.

None of you freaks have an answer.

You can’t tell me why I should eat it.

Why should I eat it?

Because it’s good.

Oh, that’s the sales pitch.

That’s the sales pitch from the Eyes Wide Shut community for fucking cheese going to these freak show meetings.

“It’s good.”

You don’t know why.

None of you know why.

Oh, I have to pair it with wine just to get through it.

I have to put it on pasta because that’s what’s actually good about it.

Gross, gross, gross, gross, gross, gross, gross.

And then those freaks that eat Babybels, by the way, by the way, Babybels that eat them like… it looks like you’re eating an eraser half the time.

I hate it.

Oh.

Sick puppy.

Sick freak.

I feel very called out because I have a bag of Babybels in my fridge right now.

Disgusting.

Okay.

Anyways.

Okay.

That’s my rant.

Moving on.

I don’t have much this week, but that’s it.

Okay.

Good rant.

Good rant.

I do want to move on and talk about this Rolex 24 at Daytona.

Start of the race, pretty average for a start of an endurance race.

A lot of people are trying to…

LMP2 crash.

Lap one, turn one, by the way.

Crash.

But it’s on par.

Par.

Yeah, the dentist.

I don’t know what endurance race you’ve seen that doesn’t start with a little bit of drama.

It’s pretty on par.

It was good, but pretty on par.

Where it got interesting is when it started to get foggy.

And this was, I think, close to midnight when the fog started to set in.

Yes.

And then it got really bad and it went full-course yellow for how long?

Two hours.

So it was insane.

You had an entire grid of cars just putting around at 50 miles an hour because of fog.

And that completely switched up the race order.

It put people behind.

It put people ahead.

It was pretty insane, the fact that you had that much fog in a setting where it was pitch black outside.

Granted, if this was an F1 race, they would have just cancelled the race and said oops, sorry.

We would have had Spa… was it Spa 2021?

21 or 22.

It’s been a while, yeah.

Yeah, so much rain that they just said, fuck it, we’re just going to cancel the race.

All of these people that paid for tickets, that are standing outside in this rain, yep, you’re not getting your money back.

Sucks to suck.

But afterwards, when the sun came up and the fog cleared and people got back on the throttle, that’s where things got interesting.

You had lead changes.

You had insane battles.

The last hour and a half of the race was electric.

It was incredible to watch.

If you get the chance, I would say do a little skim through the streams that they had for this race.

They’ll do a highlight video too.

Yeah.

It’s usually quite good.

Yeah.

The last hour and a half, just watch it.

Just watch the full hour and a half.

It was great.

The commentator…

Okay, yes.

Whatever this guy’s name is.

Let me look it up.

Whelen Cadillac.

This idiot.

His name is John Hindhaugh.

Gesundheit.

Hind-haugh.

Something like that.

You’ll know the voice for sure.

Yeah, as soon as you hear it, you’ll be like, yeah, I’ve heard this guy.

He’s an idiot.

Or if you don’t think that, actually focus on the words he’s saying.

Yeah, this guy’s slow.

Yes.

Anyway, he’s an idiot.

So the Pfaff Lamborghini was on the lead lap in GTD Pro in, I think, fifth or sixth position, and was the higher of the two GT classes.

There was a battle for first position between Winward Racing and the Aston Martin, I can’t remember the team, for the lead.

And the Lamborghini was behind them.

And this muppet of a man said, “Oh, that’s the Lamborghini trying to get back on the lead lap.”

The other commentator, being an intellectual human being, said, “Nope, that’s the wrong class.”

And also, Andrea Caldarelli is the Lamborghini behind them.

Now he’s a lap down. What he’s trying to do is get back on the lead lap as there’s another touch going into the International Horseshoe.

Well, Caldarelli’s actually in a different class.

He’s in GTD Pro.

These are the two GTD leaders.

But he’s been the fly in the ointment in this battle, really, for the last 20 minutes.

Oh my God.

Proceeds to go on the entire final…

He called Felipe Nasr “Philip.”

Yeah, as he was going across the start-finish line to finish the race, approaching the chequered flag.

Felipe Nasr, by the way, one of the most accomplished drivers that I can think of.

This is the third Rolex 24 in a row that he’s won.

Yeah.

Guy is top-tier IMSA talent.

Been around for a long time.

He has probably been calling, I don’t know, 10-ish years of Felipe Nasr races.

As this…

Oh my God, I can’t even believe this.

As he’s approaching the start-finish line, and you know that’s kind of your highlight, right?

Like when you go back and you look at your career, you always look at those finishes, those great calls as you approach a chequered flag.

That’s kind of what you look at, what you remember things as.

He’s just talking in this monotone voice, 1.5 second split with the Cadillac behind you, by the way, and he calls him Philip Nasr.

“The Brazilian, Philip Nasr…”

I think Brazilian, anyways.

“…on the high banks, through turns three and four. And it’ll be Philip Nasr who brings it home for three in a row. Penske Motorsport and the brilliant Brazilian, Felipe Nasr, does it again, just ahead of Whelen Engineering.”

Oh my God.

And then immediately the other commentator comes in and says, oh yeah, it’s Felipe.

Something like that.

Oh yeah.

It gets ignored, gets completely ignored by that commentator, and then he just keeps on going.

Another amazing thing that I witnessed about an hour and 40 minutes before the end: the one Whelen Cadillac had an engine fire.

Yes.

Right?

Which, on par for the Whelen Cadillac, by the way.

Engine caught fire, pulled into the pits, driver got out, is safe.

No worries there.

They were going through at the end of the race the standings of where everyone finished, what happened to the cars that didn’t finish the race, blah blah blah blah.

Some of the cars had engine issues, gearbox issues, crashed, whatever.

They get to this Cadillac and it was, “Oh yeah, the Whelen Cadillac, that was the engine fire.”

And then this moron said, “Oh yeah, that’s the one with the gearbox issue.”

The other commentator just said engine fire, and then you said gearbox issue.

What?

Yeah, it’s wrong.

Incorrect.

I know.

It doesn’t even make any sense.

I don’t understand it.

What was the other thing he was saying too?

He was saying something else.

This is, bear in mind, all in the last hour.

The last hour of this race.

Oh really quick, another one was him saying “literally nothing left in the tank.”

And then what happened?

Immediately after, 45% left in the tank.

45%.

45%.

You can’t say literally nothing left in the tank.

And he is fucking…

Oh my God, dude.

What are we talking about?

He was running on fumes.

Well, he had almost half a tank.

Half a tank.

They played the strategy perfect.

Oh my…

You should be talking about how good they played the strategy.

What are you talking about?

Yes.

What are you talking about?

What are we talking about?

What are we talking about?

That’s from Always Sunny.

Anyways, continue.

The cameraman, I think, fell asleep.

So they were going through all of the…

Yes.

Or got tased.

That works.

Tased by ice.

Ice was there.

You’ve got to see this video.

We’ll put it up on our Instagram story or something like that.

It’s so good.

So they’re doing all their celebrations.

Everyone’s there.

Everyone’s getting their hats, their medals, their watches, all this stuff.

They’re not videoing it.

Do you see any of it?

They’re not videoing any of it.

What they have is someone zoomed in to the palm trees waving in the wind, and then immediately it zooms out. And then it pans across, I’d say about halfway around the racetrack.

And then this guy had some sort of epileptic episode where the camera went up and down and up and down and then immediately panned over to one of the safety trucks just driving on the track.

It didn’t make any sense.

Didn’t move.

It was like somebody was tickling this guy.

He’s just like, with the camera up, down, left, right.

And then all of a sudden…

What are you doing?

All of a sudden it makes that sound in Call of Duty where, like, when you auto-lock onto something, it goes…

It does that on the safety truck as it’s driving down the back straight.

Ridiculous.

Ridiculous broadcast.

Pretty good race.

I’ve seen that clip.

That clip of the panning and locking onto the truck, it stays there for 15 seconds, give or take.

The truck exits the frame.

The truck exits the frame and a little side-by-side comes out along the wall before it goes back to the people actually, I don’t know, celebrating the fact that they won the race.

IMSA Radio slash NBC has just been so mid for so long, and then they wonder why they haven’t been able to grow the sport as much as they would have liked or ride the coattails of F1.

This is why.

Yeah.

Sorry, what was I going to say?

Anyways, this is all to say, we’ll put a bow on this really quick, but I think this is like an average Daytona 24 race.

It’s a good time.

I’m glad that racing’s coming back.

This is always a sign that within the month we’re going to have racing back in the regular rotation.

A reminder that I live in Austin now, so I will be going to COTA for pretty much every race I can think of.

NASCAR in a month.

I think I’m going to do MotoGP this year.

I don’t know if I’m going to do F1 again.

It really wasn’t that great at that track.

I’d rather do Montreal.

Oh, FIA, and GT World Challenge is there too.

Is it?

Yeah.

I forgot about that.

I did not know.

Yeah.

So I’m definitely going to all of those.

But anyways, a lot of positivity, a lot of good things to talk about, I suppose, Aren, but we need to get more negative.

This is a negative show.

We need to stay true to our negative roots, which means…

Even though we were basically praising the possibilities of Horizon 6 this entire time.

Yes, this is true.

But more negatives.

More negatives.

More negatives.

Okay.

So you know what that means.

Oh, I think I know what’s happening.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There you go.

There’s the music.

Okay.

Okay.

Aren knows what this is.

You guys might not.

This is Fuck That Car.

So we pick a car every show that we just shit on.

That’s essentially what this is.

So it’s Aren’s turn this week.

I think we’re going to say it is.

What do you got for us, Aren?

I have something a little bit controversial.

Okay.

Interesting.

And it is a Chevrolet.

It is a mid-engined Chevrolet.

Okay.

It is the Corvette ZR1X.

Really?

Really?

I’m saying fuck that car.

This is a wild choice.

Yes.

Yes.

Let me explain.

Ever since the Corvette has gone mid-engined, this car has been phenomenal, right?

Okay, yeah, yeah.

Great car.

Yeah, yeah.

Fantastic car.

Yeah, yeah.

Z06.

Yeah.

Great car.

Flat-plane crank V8.

Yes.

Incredible sound.

Great performance.

I love it.

Love it, love it, love it.

And then it got to the point where they’re like, oh yeah, we’re going to make a ZR1 version, and it’s going to have a supercharged V8.

And you’re like, fucking right you are.

This is going to be sick.

And then they’re like, oh, also, we’re going to make it all-wheel drive and then we’re going to put a hybrid system on it and it’s going to have 1,200 horsepower and be an absolute menace.

And people are like, oh, okay, cool.

And now it’s to the point where they’re putting this car that weighs as much as a fucking paper clip up against a Mustang GTD and a GT3 RS, and they’re like, oh yeah, Corvette obviously winning, we’re the best, blah blah blah blah.

Shut the fuck up.

You have 1,200 horsepower and all-wheel drive.

The GT3 RS has less than half that and it’s rear-wheel drive.

The Mustang GTD weighs as much as a small house.

I don’t understand what the complaint is.

What is the complaint?

I mean…

Fuck the ZR1X.

The ZR1, I’m 100% on board.

This seems like nonsense.

What do you mean seems like nonsense?

What’s the point?

It’s a half-million-dollar car.

Okay, it’s…

No, no, no, no.

It’s a half-million-dollar car.

So what is the point?

People are saying, why is it so expensive, and why are people saying it’s worth the money?

If you’re saying $300,000 is too much for a Mustang or $350,000 is too much for a Porsche, which, sure, they are, then why are you justifying a half-million-dollar price tag for a fucking Corvette?

I just hate the ZR1X.

Fuck that car.

It’s pointless.

I’m sorry, but if it’s to the point where you start talking about lap times and saying, oh, this ZR1X is the fastest road car around this track, this is the fastest road car around whatever track…

Okay, that’s great.

And the only thing that they care about is the fact that it beat a 911 GT3 RS.

Yeah, yeah, but the one thing I’ll give you here is, this car isn’t really for anything because, okay, sure, if it has one lap time that’s fast, it’s still going to get crushed by a purpose-built race car every time.

I would think that a GT car you could get for cheaper than this car, I would think.

You could.

You absolutely could.

And it would murder this thing.

So, yes.

Especially over time, right?

Because you’ve got to do more than one lap on a racetrack, by the way.

That’s typically how racetracks work.

It’s not just one and done.

That thing would overheat.

Trying to do those times sustained, it would chew through its tires.

All sorts of things, man.

Yep.

So I guess you’re right.

I guess it isn’t really cool.

It’s impressive, but pointless.

Yes.

Fuck that car.

Okay.

Hey, what’s going on with your car, by the way?

Update the ladies and gentlemen.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

So last time we would have talked, and if you would have listened to the previous show, which should be out by now, because Aren’s kind of cracked the whip on me getting editing on these shows…

496 days.

Fuck off.

So last time we spoke to the ladies and gentlemen, you had some news on your Alfa Romeo.

Would you like to update?

I would love to update them.

So, background knowledge.

Initially, I drove a Porsche Macan.

It was a Macan 4S in Gentian Blue.

It was beautiful.

I loved it.

And I was looking to move into something else, and that led me to an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio.

What colour?

It was a dark blue.

I can’t remember the specific.

Whatever, dark blue.

Unreal, yeah.

Dark blue.

Pretty much exactly the same.

Beautiful.

2019, had super low kilometres, carbon ceramic brakes.

I went in and it was like, yep, this is the one, this is what I’m going to do.

I live in Canada, and having a 500-horsepower rear-wheel drive car may not have been the best decision.

So…

No shit.

No shit.

I have moved away from the Alfa and bought something else.

Yes.

Man’s backed out last second.

Yes.

It is not a 500-horsepower sedan.

It is also not rear-wheel drive.

It is a Ford.

But it’s a Ford Focus RS.

And a lot of people are going to laugh and they’re going to think, ha ha, you went from a Porsche to a Ford.

Yeah, but you know what?

I can do a 4,000 RPM clutch-dump launch control, and it’s the most fun I’ve had in a very long time.

I will say, I will 100% with truth say that this is more fun on a daily basis than the Macan.

Really?

Yep.

Just more engaging?

Is that why?

Yeah.

It’s so much more engaging.

Because the Macan is unbelievably quick.

You put your foot down in dead silence and you’re breaking the speed limit two times over.

Yeah, true.

The Focus will yell and shout and beat you up because the suspension is stiff, but you’re shifting gears, you’re rowing through everything, and it’s still quick.

You’ve been in it.

It’s still quick.

Yeah, off the line that thing’s a killer, actually.

It has a much more aggressive launch than the Merc does because it just instantly hooks up and it’s gone, right?

Yeah.

So that is the new car.

It is a 2017 Focus RS.

It’s got 50,000 kilometres on it, which is, I think, 35,000 miles out there.

White.

Looks nice.

White.

I got white wheels on order, so it’s going to be white on white.

Five spokes?

Five spokes.

Yeah, so that’s going to be a good time, man.

It’s going to be good.

Yeah, that’s, I guess, the car update.

And then the ladies and gentlemen at home will have to send messages to the Forza Instagram account or Facebook, for the 20 people who follow us there.

I need to get a car.

Jason needs to get a car.

You do.

I don’t know if I’m going to do an Aston V8.

Please, whatever.

I was going to say, please just tell him, do not get an Aston Vantage.

Tell him to buy the Corvette.

Tell him to buy the F-Type.

Just say, don’t, you idiot, with your stupid long curly hair, you need a haircut.

Don’t buy an Aston.

I got a haircut recently.

Stop yelling at me.

Listen.

Well, obviously it wasn’t that good.

Folks, Jesus.

Folks, the list, really quick.

V8 F-Type, Aston V8 Vantage 2008, so like the first iteration of that car. I don’t want to hear it.

Automatic because he can’t afford a manual.

I don’t want to hear it.

F-Type, V8 Vantage, C6, C63, same idea as what I got now, like a W204. So 2008, or probably more likely 2012 to 2015 is what I’d be looking at. So the big 6.2 engine.

Or an Audi RS5 with the 4.2 in it is another one I’m kind of thinking about.

This all goes out the window if a Mercedes R63 minivan comes up, then I just get that and it’s very easy.

But that’s kind of my options here.

So let me know what you think.

I don’t know what to do.

I need to get a car in the next couple weeks here.

So, I mean, yeah, I guess bully me if I shouldn’t get the Aston.

I feel like you’re all wrong and I’m going to drink the Kool-Aid on that one, but I don’t know.

So help me decide because this is a very tricky decision.

It’s basically just all V8s, though.

Any of them would be a good upgrade from your computer mouse.

Yeah.

Computer mouse in question, by the way, is a Cadillac SRX, which is just a mom-mobile slash retiree-crash-through-the-front-of-a-pharmacy car.

It’s kind of an “I hit the gas instead of the brake” kind of car.

“I thought it was in reverse.”

That’s literally what my car is.

It is always that car in the picture where they have a car halfway through the front of a business somewhere that didn’t have the bollards in front of it.

That is my car.

But it’s nice and I like it.

I’m keeping it anyway.

But I need suggestions.

It is comfortable.

It is comfortable.

It is comfortable.

It does what it needs to do.

It was a good value play.

But anyways, so that’s the update on what we’ve got going on.

Thank you for sticking with us here.

Over the next few months, as more information comes out for Forza Horizon 6, we will keep you updated.

We’ll let you know what’s going on.

We’ll likely do another episode in a month or so and revisit the whole topic.

Yeah, I think we’ll see what other information comes out here.

I think now that Pandora’s box is open, we might get some more information.

I don’t know.

We’ll see what we think too, but maybe we look at this from a different angle.

Maybe we do like a wishlist show or some such.

I’m not 100% here, but this is just initial first reactions.

Yeah.

I think a wishlist show would be good.

I also want to go through, closer to the release of the game, and review the car list, because they mentioned there’s going to be 550-plus cars at launch.

I like that.

And you and I have mentioned before that that is too many.

Yeah, it’s way too many.

It’s not a good sign.

I think if we go through and veto some of the cars, say we don’t need this, this is good, I’m glad this is in, we don’t need this one back, I think that would be good.

Another thing we should consider doing, and maybe this is what the next show will end up being, is what is the line in the sand that Forza needs to jump over in order to stay afloat?

Like, if they don’t cross that line, where is it for the franchise basically falling apart?

This game is actually on life support, because it is.

It is.

More than we think.

What they need to achieve.

Yeah, because we haven’t heard a ton about this game in a while, but make no mistake, this thing is like the monkey with the tubes in it where it’s just barely breathing.

That’s what this thing is.

Anyways, it’s been a good show.

Playground Games is just standing there holding the plug being like, just tell me when.

Tell me when.

I want to go home.

It’s like 4:58 on a Friday.

It’s like, let’s go, let’s go.

So we’ll see.

We’ll see what happens here.

But it’s been a good show.

It has.

Thank you all for listening in.

Keep an eye on the Instagram and the Facebook and the socials as we keep things rolling and the news flowing for Forza Horizon 6.

And we’ll talk to you all next time.

See you guys.